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Collier County Commission District 5 candidates: Where do you stand on the county e-mail scandal?
Early this year, Collier County discovered inappropriate, salacious or racy e-mails were being exchanged by county employees on county-owned computers. County Manager Jim Mudd said he was outraged and ordered investigations and hearings for all those in the Public Utilities department, where county officials believe the problem started.
So far, the investigation has resulted in five senior employees who have been recommended for termination, and dozens others who were suspended without pay for a week or two.
Name: Roberto “Bob” Alsonso
Age: 46
Occupation: Senior law enforcement officer.
“I’m not sure the Commissioners adopted such a policy that terminated those employees. It’s my understanding the Commissioners have delegated some of their fiduciary duties, and it may not hold up in the courts.
Quoting statute 125.74 regarding County administrator; powers and duties.
(l) Suspend, discharge, or remove any employee under the jurisdiction of the board pursuant to procedures adopted by the board.
You may want to look into who made the sole decision to terminate them and what policy did he base his decision on, certainly not from the BCC.
Name: Jim Coletta
Age: 65
Occupation: Have in the past owned a federal inspected meat plant, a newspaper and an equipment rental store.
“The truth of the matter is the county has rules in place, and rules were violated. We have an excellent county manager, who runs a tight ship, but he does show a lot of compassion to staffers.”







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I'm stumped by both answers.
Gentlemen, what?????
#1 Posted by scotsa on August 16, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Shows alot of compassion to staffers" HA HA HA HA HA HA! Thats a good one.
Bye Bye Coletta!
#2 Posted by GulfCoast53 on August 16, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There must be something wrong about how this termination process took place if there is now a Law Suit in place by the ex-employees. It's Law Suit after Law Suit and at the end the County is having to pay-out either by settlement or defeat in each case which by the way is tax money we can use somewhere to better serve the people. If the County Manager's action were not authorized by the Board of County Commissioners through a written policy stipulating the "termination" then he acted solely and thereore that was wrong. I am not saying that what the employees did was right or wrong, we must get all the facts from both sides not just the County's side of the story which is all that has been posted. However, I am saying that the outcome needs to be weighed according to the violation and there needs to be a sufficient level of violation committed that would equal to termination which is the max penalty, rather than suspension, and or demotion. Does the violation meet the punishment or was the punishment excessive is what the court will consider among other factors. I think that Attorney Wilson has found something wrong on how the incident was handled by Mr. Mudd and therefore has innitiated the Law Suit on behalf of his clients. There must have been something in his filings to the court that granted him the Court's finding of sufficient information to rule that the Law Suit is warranted. I hope that we don't sustain another wrongfull suit action against the county and lose money from our already depleated budget, not on the action of a sole person. Remember there are other Law Suits pending against the county and that puts more of our tax money in jeopardy.
#3 Posted by d5stealth on August 16, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Coletta has become a lifer politician, it is time for change. Vote him out he has been in too long and if we have problems it is those people who have been in positions for a long time that created them.
#4 Posted by kneejerk on August 16, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Next real hard hitting question:
What's your favorite Ice cream!
Glad to see that Alonso is questioning who made the rules though. Colettas comment appears to suggest Mud favors certain individuals.
#5 Posted by JusticeForEveryone on August 16, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gee, the Alonso people are out in full force today. Most people won't read this trash anyway, but I will respond:
The way I see this, Bob Alonso accepts and supports these people surfing for porn on our taxpayers dollar. He didn't denounce them for doing it. Rules and laws are important. They protect us all.
Coletta said “The truth of the matter is the county has rules in place, and rules were violated. We have an excellent county manager, who runs a tight ship, but he does show a lot of compassion to staffers.”
I can accept this statement. Would you want to work for someone who has no compassion?
#6 Posted by ww2vet on August 16, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
More lies hate and SPIN from WW2 vet.
Gee for someone who's 90 you sure have a sharp mind....
#7 Posted by JusticeForEveryone on August 16, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks for the comments. My mind is about the only thing I have that works well these days. Actually, I am in my 80's and my mind is sharp as a tack. I don't lie. You are in the no spin zone here.
I do have lots of time to research and study issues, though. Since Mr. Alonso has made some dramatic claims and promises, as voters we should research them for relevance and truthfulness. Jim Coletta has his record to stand on, and there are few people in District 5 that he hasn't helped in one way or another. The burden for proof is on Alonso now. To this date, I haven's seen any.
Just as in the above question, he didn't answer it. Coletta did.
#8 Posted by ww2vet on August 16, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What this all boils down too is selective enforcement. You just can't fire middle management and say they should have known better and meanwhile give their subordinates a few weeks off with no pay! If they have rules in place like Coletta states, shouldn't they be the same for everyone? RIGHT?
#9 Posted by upnorth on August 16, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
upnorth...BINGO!
#10 Posted by JusticeForEveryone on August 16, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rules are rules.
You have every right to question the enforcement of them, if you are a taxpayer. Do we have all of the details on this issue? Not yet. We only have one side. We probably won't ever get to see the evidence. I don't trust lawyers though. Regardless if the County is exhonerated or not, we will still pay. The fact is - it is wrong, immoral, and against the rules. I have no sympathy for anyone that has done this on my time. One good thing has come out of this, County employees are avoiding these things. We will all wait for the final ruling and then meet here again.
#11 Posted by ww2vet on August 16, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I will vote for the first time this year. I am interested in the true issues. This is a big responsibility and there is too much at stake for us all to make a mistake.
#12 Posted by ALVAREZ on August 16, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I believe several years back this was addressed. Employee's in the county using while at work used county computers to send and check personal emails and surf the web. I believe they set rules on it at that time. Being a prior was set; one would think it is justifyable for termination or suspension. Why then should we use today's tax dollar for yesterday's spent tax dollar on this? Citizens should be backing the county. The Naples Daily News article should be enough evidence to show county employee's were forewarned. Alonso seems to be defending a crime: Not working and getting paid for it. Add up 20 mins a day (86.66 hours a year) each employee at their pay rate checking emails or surfing the web once a day. That's a lot of money. Add maintenance if a virus or worm infected the county networks. Alonso seems to be the softy. How does logic make you the reader/tax payer feel? Has Alonso look the other way on crime in the past?
#13 Posted by Ithnkitswrng4 on August 16, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Elect anyone but Coletta. It is time for him to find a real job. Too many years in office clouds your reality check. He knows about the email problem but has never addressed that and other issues. Kiss, kiss on the butt of JM. Good bye Coletta, put up your for sale sign.
#14 Posted by firewire on August 16, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Coletta may have just cost collier tax payers even more money by commenting on this case. Highly inappropiate! In post #12 you feel that all the facts are not in yet, however you support Coletta's comments? We have heard both sides so far and this is why a lawsuit was filed. The judge several weeks ago made a decision not to turn over all personal e-mails. Why? Is Mudd afraid of opening now a can of worms? All county employee e-mails should now be investigated and made public. INCLUDING ADMINISTRATORS! Termination should then start at the top. I wonder how many county employees will have their jobs for long? I hope Mr. Wilson sticks it to the county. And if we settle, administrators should be the first to go, its called accountability.
#15 Posted by upnorth on August 16, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
are the same people voting for coletta also voting for Hunter ach I mean rambosk. someone keeps voting these losers in
#16 Posted by grouper25 on August 16, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
UP,
Do you think that a judge is somehow beholding to Mudd? I can understand not publishing the e-mails. I would trust a judges word that they are legitimate. The only people that would want to see them in that case are the same people that are perverts. They should protect the identity of others who may have been copied on these e-mails. I agree with accountability, but you have to start at the bottom where the problem starts, then move uphill from there. The people responsible (and their supervisors who were aware) should be terminated. However, in this country we don't hold people like this up to public ridicule, and we don't burn witches any more.
As far as Coletta commenting, it was a generalism, not a detailed statement. No harm, no foul.
#17 Posted by ww2vet on August 16, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In todays information age, any company or Goverment entity which gives thier employees internet access should have clear and understanable guide lines set up. I worked for a company that forbade employees from even checking personal e mail. If the rules are violated then the punishment should be the same across the board! WW2 Vet, thank you for your service to our country, what theatre of operation where you in?
#18 Posted by LethaLintent on August 16, 2008 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WW2 wake up and smell the agent orange already!First, you don't trust an attorney's point of view, but then you trust a judge? No, I don't think the judge and Mudd had a conference but someone did behind closed doors. So it is alright for perverts to sent and read e-mails, as long as we don't expose the innocent ones? You state start from the bottom up, but why is it when the crap hits the fan the upper administration is always exempt?
#19 Posted by upnorth on August 17, 2008 at 12:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There are several inappropriate emails that have come from others in the office, including upper management. Someone has copies, they will surface in due time. This has been going on for a long time, way before the ones surrounding this particular case. Unfortunately they will be very embarassing to our County as they will bringabout another black eye but you will all see that the ones they chosen to terminate from employment are "Sacraficial Lambs". I hate to bust some of your bubbles but some of you folks here need to beware of the Wolves in Sheep's Clothing. Some radio talk show hosts and NDN reporters might be a little upset when they discover that the apple in their eye has a worm in it. I agree with what one blogger wrote here to the gentleman Bob about the other 4 Commissioners will eat him up, that is if the County Manager doesn't get to him first, though I don't think that will be easy due to him being an experienced cop and that might be the biggest challenge in there for rest. I have been working there for many years, I've seen and heard too much and therefore I must agree with the others we need to get vote them all out. It started with one bad apple and I'm afraid the whole batch has spoiled.
Wait and see.
#20 Posted by QtrPndr on August 17, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
How come they didn't ask the democratic nominee? Was it just for the republican nominees?
Company emails are under the scrutiny of the company, and used for company issues, memos etc. If you want to send inappropriate emails, or jokes use your personal emails.
#21 Posted by skipperdz on August 19, 2008 at 8:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good question skipper;
By the way where is the Democratic Candidate? No-one seems to know much about him, no signs anywhere, no advertising.....all we know is what he's a full-timer at NCH pharmacy, he said he is not a Democrat, or a Politician, but that's it. He may be waiting on the Primary Election results but Novemeber 4th is just around the corner and it may be to far in the game to start effective compaigning now. Please don't tell me that he was just put there so that no Democrats will vote in favor of any of the Republicans in the Commissioner race as a sway vote tactics. Not that I think its going to help but I sure hope that the Dems don't fall into that kind of Cheezy Scheme....please say it isn't so! (LOL)
#22 Posted by d5stealth on August 20, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think they are just questioning the 2 republican canidates at the moment, at least thats what it looks like.
He will be putting signs up from what I hear, but I know he is not accepting any funding from outside sources, he wants to pay for his advertising on his own. He doesn't want to be in anyones pocket so to speak. So once the republican canidate is finalized he should be putting up signs. He decided to run on his own, figuring he could at least make a run of it instead of just sitting around complaining about what decisions have been made and how it affects everyone. he wasn't put there by anyone, he had to go door to door and get the required signatures to make the cut like everyone else did.
#23 Posted by skipperdz on August 21, 2008 at 12:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
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