i am so glad Tammy Christiano stoped for a few items. a food service worker smarter than our congressmen. she has my vote!

Good luck with this protest. Like spitting in the wind...

Reinstate investment in Amtrak, the worst passenger train service in the world, if you don't include those in Liberia and Gaza. And it's right here, in the Best Country in the World. Special thanks to the auto and oil lobbies, and also to a clueless public easily bedazzled by seven-second 0-60 times and 21-inch chrome wheels that, get this, keep spinning even after the car stops!

I mean, we have NO other transportation options in most of the country. Buy the car, buy the gas, buy the insurance, pay for the roads, law enforcement, upkeep, ... or travel like a bum. This isn't by accident, I assure you. Any other method of transportation that kills 60,000 Americans PER YEAR (like cars do) wouldn't be tolerated. Can you imagine if airplanes killed 60K PER YEAR? They'd be banned and cursed and written off as a creation of Satan himself.

Put construction crews back to work building a public transportation system through Fort Myers - Naples to become the talk of the nation. Done right it'll attract people to the area. Old people who shouldn't (and would rather not) drive will come in even greater numbers.

Whatever. Do something besides complain that you can't fuel up the Suburban for $40.

Buy a smaller, slower, cheaper car. It's just a hunk of metal and plastic that gets you from one spot to the next. Your ego will get over it. Find something else to be proud of. Adopt a puppy. Read a book.

The herd mentality is indeed a true phenomenon

Government over-regulating and over-spending create unintended consequences.

Example: high price for gas and other products and services.

When government assumes many duties, it's tougher to do the important ones right.

A Real CHOICE

Bob BARR is the only candidate offering the combination of a crackdown on excessive government spending along with concern for civil liberties.

http://blog.bobbarr2008.com/2008/06/2...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx11gy...

http://BobBarr2008.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BobBarr...

Off-shore drilling in Florida?

Too many people take our beautiful beaches for granted and don't realize the devastating consequences one oil spill could have, or just simply they don't care. Our beaches are among the most beautiful beaches in the world. Imagine tar spewed across our beach’s landscape. No thanks to that.

It’s clearly time we make a move here and NOW towards innovative energy technology and break this addiction to oil. It is the 21st century after all! I find it incomprehensible that some Floridians would accept drilling 50 miles from our shores.

U.S. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said, "As you all probably know in Alabama and Mississippi and Louisiana and Texas they think oil rigs are pretty." McConnell supports giving states the option of allowing off shore drilling 50 miles or more beyond their coast lines.

http://www.wtvq.com/news/1-latest/517...

Say no to McSame.

Vote for Barack Obama.

Here's a video of John McCain flip flopping on off-shore drilling within 19 days. I wonder what changed in 19 days.

http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

We do need to drill here, drill now. Not that I love big oil, but I do believe that our only chance is to use our own resources while developing this alternative energy. We are an oil based society unfortuanetly.

Ironside, would you rather to continue supporting terrorist and unfriendly nations to the U.S. while we develope this alternative energy? Cause that is what your message promotes.

I would prefer the alternative myself, 100%, but until it is an actuality, I would prefer to help build our economy and strengthen our dollar over those of the world that hate our guts. Thats just my two cents on the matter.

Vote Obama in? What change? 143 days in the senate makes him experienced? Get real. If we don't start drilling, Cuba will in the Gulf 50 miles off our shores. Wake up you Obama lovers! He doesn't have any new proposals ...just the same old Democratic playbook! He will raise all of our taxes he said so! Vote for McCain if you want to move forward and get more independent from the Middle East BS.

Maybe our government could offer tax credits or cash incentives to people who buy cars that get over 20 mpg.

We have been warned for decades that this was coming but our president (an oil man) and Congress (thanks to oil and auto lobbyists) helped us stay in denial and never could raise fuel mileage requirements.

Vote out EVERY person in congress. They are not doing what's in the best interests of the U.S. Vote them ALL OUT.

We only give tax credits to those who buy SUVs over 6000 lbs.

We did this throughout most of the Bush presidency.

Forward thinking indeed.

They should develop a car that runs on stupidity. That would solve the fuel crisis, as the US has most of the world's supply.

There has been an absence of leadership to protect American workers and companies when it comes to trade issues, environmental, and human rights issues. Those issues are intertwined.

American companies are expected to compete against foreign companies that create environmental atrocities, poison our children with their products, and make use of slave labor. Our companies are expected to provide health care to their employees while foreign companies in nearly every other country don't have to pay a penny towards health care.

Meanwhile our leadership has been derelict in its duty to utilize alternative sources of energy. Their lack of foresight and good judgment has impeded their ability to see the energy issue as a national security issue. Instead, they have heavily subsidized the very industry (oil) that we need to use less.

We spend less to promote alternative forms of energy in a year than we do in Iraq in a week. Yet, if we made use of those alternative forms of energy, then the terrorists wouldn't we are trying to fight over there wouldn't have our money to fight back against us.

The current set of policies and mess that we are in have been paid for by the oil industry.

The protest was great, message of anger from high oil prices was great. Thinking Obama will fix this hilarious. Thinking drilling here would not help, deliriously funny.
Oil prices rose yesterday because of Iran...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25596779/
uh oh they did it again...
http://www.abc2news.com/content/news/...
which created this blog...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servle...
dont believe the blog then here...
"Not even energy stock were immune, though crude oil finished the day basically unchanged at $136.05 a barrel in New York. Crude moved higher early in the day on reports that Iran had successfully tested missiles that could reach Israel and U.S. military forces in the Middle East. But oil moved back after an Energy Department report showed that gasoline inventories were rising and U.S. motorists used 2% less gas in the week ended July 4 than a week earlier." whats that we need to decrease demand? we did and guess oil went up, gas went up...now what?
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/...

Yup, keeping giving money to terrorists
http://www.americansolutions.com/
Let them have their skirmishes and let us pay the price when oil goes up
the dollar losing it power and buying from foreign countries=higher oil prices.
drill here drill now pay less
"The only way to reduce the price of oil is to reduce the demand" The demand in the US has already decreased, guess what nothing has happened to the prices.
"The only way to stop dealing with Mid-East Countries is to come up with an alternative"
Alternative fuels are a great idea but, who can afford to go out and buy a new vehicle while the economy is being smashed by increased gas prices. most can't afford what they are driving now and you want them to spend, at best, $35k?

#8 Rainman wrote:

"We do need to drill here, drill now. Not that I love big oil, but I do believe that our only chance is to use our own resources while developing this alternative energy. We are an oil based society unfortuanetly.

Ironside, would you rather to continue supporting terrorist and unfriendly nations to the U.S. while we develope this alternative energy? Cause that is what your message promotes.

I would prefer the alternative myself, 100%, but until it is an actuality, I would prefer to help build our economy and strengthen our dollar over those of the world that hate our guts. Thats just my two cents on the matter."
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Thank you for the poat and your question.....

My Reply:

We currently have enough oil wells in the United States that have been capped off without having to explore for more oil and without the need to drill in new areas of the Gulf of Mexico.Who do you think is going to pay for this expolation? I'll tell you, the consumer and it won't be cheap.

We need to concentrate on Afghanistan and Pakistan and then maybe Somalia and other places where al Qaeda is located. The war in Iraq has only made al Qaeda stronger. Our enemey will fight us where ever we go. The war in Iraq was timed, planned, executed recklessly at best.

Iraq’s Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki said on Monday that they want a timetable for a withdrawal of our troops included in the deal we are negotiating with them.

Do you suggest we ignore that and occupy Iraq?

http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

Rainman believes "our only chance is to use our own resources while developing this alternative energy."

Seems plausible enough, but like the junkie saying he needs to spend the rent money on a fix, just until he can kick, it doesn't work.

Look around. The proof is everywhere. Jimmy Carter preached conservation and got bounced on his ear because Americans don't like lectures. Reagan said greed is good, and there's a whole generation of adults out there now who grew up believing it and can't imagine any other reality than the rose-colored myopic fantasy he prescribed.

Well, it's payback time boys and girls. The Indians and the Chinese don't give a second of their attention to the plight of the tennis mom stranded in her land yacht, forced to choose between Exxon and Starbucks. The Arabs are pumping all the oil they can, but it's not enough. It's never enough. Our thirst is insatiable.

So go ahead and spend the house payment on a quick fix, just to get by. See how well that keeps working for you.

British Petroleum shut down its solar-energy research in this country when Bush was elected. Sold millions of dollars of specialized one-off machinery for salvage. Laid off some of the brightest minds in the field. They knew which way the wind was blowing.

Which is more than we know. Cheney still won't tell who was in his energy meetings or what they discussed. It's enough to make a fella feel positively conspiratorial.

Take a close look at the next big Dodge truck you see. That "attitude" the designers worked so hard to capture seems more than a little out of place these days.

Correction to #16:
poat = post :)

RockfordGrad, why do you hate Florida, our beaches and the environment so much?

McCain even said that drilling in the Gulf was going to 'help psychologically.'

McCain flip flopped on off-shore drilling in only 19 days. He was against it just 19 days before he was for it. What do you think happened in 19 days for him to do that?

Here's the video of the flip flop....
http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

Ironside don't get into flip flopping please. Your great hope is also quite the fish

Where's all that Iraq oil that we were going to get for liberating Iraq?

I don't know about the rest of you but I am very very afraid right now. Not only are the arabs controlling the oil. Now they're buying up our country. (Chrysler Building). What's next?

NeezDutz I agree, but would you care to do some comparing?

For example:
There's quite a bit of difference between flip flopping on what you're going to have for dinner tonight and (let's say) whether or not you're going to drive home tonight after having a few drinks too many. Do you know what I mean?

And also, on how many times they have flipped flopped. =D

How bout we re-elect those republican Cuban clowns from Miami to continue to represent SW Fla so well? Viva la Martinez, Viva la Diaz/Balart, Viva Capt John "Amnesty" McLame!...I voted for it before I voted against it...but I'd vote for it again.

SW Florida looks more like a third world country police state every day.

Coler, not to mention how much we're in debt to China. This is very worrisome and something all Americans should be concerned about!

RockfordGrad, the population on Earth, as well as industry, has probably increased over the past "MILLIONS" of years. Wouldn't you think? And man is the environment's worst enemy.

i was talking about flip flopping on Iraq, Fisa, etc...
nobody wants to comment on all of the rest of the comment #15?

NeezDutz, FISA was revised, making it a NEW bill and therefore making it possible for Obama to lean in favor of it. No flip flop there, though I still disagree with Obama's vote just the same. In my opinion he buckled to rightwing ideology and I'm not happy about that, revised or not. Still with changes to the bill, it wasn't a flip flop, it's a NEW bill. Obama has ALWAYS left himself open for "refining" his stance on Iraq, "depending on conditions on the ground" at the times, no flip flop there either. He made that clear during the Democratic Primaries. Public campaign financing was a flip flop Obama has made.

The McCain flip flops however and his inability to get the facts straight are too many to list, but you can find some here, on my Homepage.....

http://politicalplace.com

More from the "Straight Talk Express"

VIDEO: McCain Tells Veteran A Big Lie About Veterans Organization's Support.

http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

McCains Default on Home Taxes for Years!

http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

John McCain cheated on his first wife, and then married his mistress. Cindy McCain is a drug addict and a thief. Imagine FOX NEWS and rightwing America if this was Barack Obama's story. You know, the "Family Values" Party.

http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

The majority of our oil comes from Canada's oil sands nowadays.
Oil drilled off of the Naples Pier would still be going to the highest bidder.
1. Return freight to the railways as they were always far more cost effective than trucking.
2. Find a way to hybrid-ize existing trucks that will still be in use to haul from the railheads.
3. Boating needs to go back to sails and electric motors.
4. Airlines will be going out of business until something happens to revolutionize their industry.
4. Civilian fleet will go hybrid in 10 years.
5. Wind and Solar and Hydro, get used to it.
We were advised by President Carter 30 years ago to get serious about energy but of course he was laughed at by the media.
The only thing that would help within one year would be strict regulation of all commerce within the energy universe, from production to futures trading. If these people refuse to behave the energy industry should be nationalized by popular referendum, that being the only way to cut out the elected politicians and the appointed courts.

haha
changing your mind vs flip flop...that's funny
back on oil

I doubt people vote for Presidents based on their selection of VP. If any do, it's a very small portion of the voters. Don't you remember Dan Quayle?

how about we stay with oil

The results of higher gasoline prices has been less driving at lower speeds; more use of public transportation; down sizing to smaller more energy efficient motor vehicles; etc.

Think how all of this can be accelerated if the Federal gasoline tax were to be increased by $2.00 per gallon!

Fling off, greathornedlizard.

"3. Boating needs to go back to sails and electric motors."

You mean it's not my right as a successful American to pump around the estuary in my Donzi, wasting fuel, running down endangered species, flaunting my outward success and otherwise acting out because I'm hopelessly shallow, incurious and insecure? I've got something to prove to the world, and Big Boating is what the commercials tell me I should do to show it off.

Stalinist scum!

Bush/Cheney - Oilmen keeping oilmen happy.

Remember, Shell and BP have recorded 1st quarter profits of $9,000,000,000 and $7,500,000,000 respectfully (that's BILLIONS). Those are record setting profits.

Now you know what happens when you invade an oil-rich country and lose control of the situation.

McCain promises four more years of the status quo!

Vote Democrat! We can make a difference.
YES WE CAN!

Ok neocons spin it! Defend Bush and the oil industry with your rhetoric!

http://politicalplace.com

"how about we stay with oil"

Another thoughtful nugget from NeezDutz.

Yeah, oil's great. It's so clean, cheap, efficient and politically benign.

But I know, you love it. It's fun to accelerate from 0-60 in six seconds, and the shiny 20-inch wheels that keep spinnin' even after the SUV come to a stop, wow. You're in heaven.

I think neocons like those "pretty" oil rigs.

http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

ok ecoterror you describe quite a person with your 0-60 and spinners, thanks for the laugh. its not me though.
Less than 50% of oil goes to gas manufacturing, the rest goes to plastics and others.
ironside, oil companies made those huge profits with the incredible increase in demand...they made $.04 per gallon.
I don't care where we drill, just do it!
Right now we are in a crisis because our friends from Iran are threatening with the missile launches. We are dependent on oil, you are right but until something changes we still need it. Lets stop giving money to the terrorist and give it to the great USA.

RockfordGrad please link me to where you found that information. MOST of the oil company's money/profits (whatever) go to researching new technology. I doubt that's true. Sorry, but your word doesn't make it so. Please link me to it.

NeezDutz, ahhhhh those poor oil companies. I feel so bad for them only making 7.5 to 9 billion dollars in profit. LMFAO!

The five largest oil companies in this country have made made more than $600 billion in profits since George W. Bush became president," said Senator Bernie Sanders, a Vermont Independent. "Do we need a windfall profits tax? You bet we do."

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jun20...

Where did you get your info from. Care to link me to that information?

Sorry ironside i saw it during the Democratic Congress grilling, i would have to find it.
More government is a step in a bad direction

REVISED POST #49 with CORRECTIONS:

NeezDutz, ahhhhh those poor oil companies. I feel so bad for them only making 7.5 to 9 billion dollars first quarter profits recorded this year. LMFAO!

The five largest oil companies in this country have made more than $600 billion in profits since George W. Bush became president. (It's now 'more' since the linked article was written)

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jun20...

Where did you get your info from. Care to link me to that information?

National emergency declared!...emergency drilling mobilized appropiate to the war we're in with the Arab Muslim money/oil manipulaors...oil starts flowing fast..problem ended as we adapt to alternate energy sources over next decade...deserts return to Arabs riding camels by their rusty Mercedes...a mobilized America can do this!!!....

Both political parties have shamefully failed the U.S....in Washington, U.S. doesn't stand for us, but for Unmitigated Stupidity

Crude closed at $141.65 a barrel, up $5.60, or 4.1%, from Wednesday after Iran test-fired more missiles in the Persian Gulf and a Nigerian militant group said it will end a cease-fire this week.
Iran, which holds the second-biggest oil reserves, tested missiles capable of reaching Israel, increasing concern that a conflict may cut crude supply.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/...
Yea lets keep relying on terrorist
http://www.americansolutions.com/
I dont care what they make, i am all about the rest of the United States

Because you're not high enough on the food chain, RockfordGrad.

Just because the Fat Cats let you pretend you're one of them doesn't mean you are. They just like using your money.

You'll find out when it's time to start manning the lifeboats.

I believe that most oil companies spend more in R & D than they actually take in on Profit but it is just difficult not to me mad about the sheer amount of Profit being reported.
What can you say, we sheeple will follow the bouncing ball no matter what the distraction is.

since it didnt get any attention:
Crude closed at $141.65 a barrel, up $5.60, or 4.1%, from Wednesday after Iran test-fired more missiles in the Persian Gulf and a Nigerian militant group said it will end a cease-fire this week.
Iran, which holds the second-biggest oil reserves, tested missiles capable of reaching Israel, increasing concern that a conflict may cut crude supply.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/...
Yea lets keep relying on terrorist
http://www.americansolutions.com/
I dont care what they make, i am all about the rest of the United States

RockfordGrad are you suggesting Shell and BP didn't earn the recorded 1st quarter profits of $9,000,000,000 and $7,500,000,000 that they reported?

It's hilarious that you would question that when these are their own numbers. If anything they made more than they are claiming to have made!

Shell and BP Report Record First-Quarter Profits:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/bus...

No, I went for a bicycle ride to check out the protest.

"Learn to ride a bike, you hopeless scum," I yelled while passing the herd.

"Demand that your government invest in public transportation. The auto and oil-industry induced dream of every citizen piloting his own motor vehicle as a means of mass-transit is fast becoming a horrible nightmare."

Pressed to continue by curious protesters, I added, "It's true we need energy alternatives, but the alternative should be ditching our auto culture for something more efficient, inexpensive, safe and accessible."

"You never hear this discussed," I went on. "All people talk about since the latest $1 gas increase is what new fuel source can we exploit to keep all the cars running cheaply."

"How about, What can we do to phase out cars? (As a mass transit strategy, not completely. Cars will always have a place during our lifetimes.)"

"Cars are really cool, and everyone likes going zoom zoom while listening to loud music while talking to a girlfriend on the cell while the kids watch Shrek on a drop-down plasma, but cars are not efficient enough in cost or fuel usage to dominate the transportation scene like they have over the last fifty years."

"And if a $1 increase in gas prices has created this much hysteria (there was no talk this time last year when gas averaged $3), it's a good sign that our national detox will be a touch stay for most, people who fail to question or admit the real reason for their current anxiety: those pieces of metal and plastic in the garage."

Shell and BP Report Record First-Quarter Profits
Published: April 29, 2008

"Shell’s net income in the first three months of the year rose 25 percent to $9.08 billion and BP reported its profit increased 63 percent to $7.62 billion. Shares of Shell and BP trading in London rose more on Monday than they have in at least two years. At BP, oil and gas production was unchanged at 3.9 million barrels of oil equivalent a day, the company said. Shell’s output remained unchanged at 3.5 million barrels of oil equivalent a day, though several recent events had disrupted production."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/bus...

I applaud those that are actually seeking a remedy to a situation that is only likely to worsen. Beyond simply finding additional sources of oil\natural gas, perhaps we need to invest in developing a new source of energy (renewable preferably).

While oil companies are likely to invest in new technology—fearing the inevitable transition of the consumer to alternative sources—why not expand what the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (DARPA) has done for years: use federal appropriated money to ignite private competition in the hopes that stated competition accelerates the research and development of new technology?

Perhaps we (as a society) should look to Europe as a model and adjust the way in which we plan our communities and order our lives.

In the short term, we reduce our usage, find alternatives (carpooling or hybrids), forego luxuries previously taken for granted, and devote more financial resources to escalating prices.

Environmental concerns aside, drilling does not seem to provide for a long-term solution. I find alternative fuels (Ethanol) to be equally questionable. Solar, wind, geo-thermal, and nuclear fusion can be further developed and may, collectively, provide a significant source of power. Hydrogen technology is similarly exciting for the transportation market.

A foreign policy predicated on dialogue and diplomacy—as opposed to preemption and warmongering—would be a welcome change. As a poster noted, much of the price fluctuations seen on a daily basis are the result of speculative concern related to world events.

Lastly, assisting developing countries to adopt alternative sources of power—thereby reducing global demand would be an investment we should seriously consider.

The United States has exploited natural resources from the get go, with no regard for the "future". As the most militarily powerful country in the world, what was to worry? LMAO.
Well, we are a declining nation, headed to the same status as England, Spain, the friggin Roman Empire. They all imploded internally, gobbling up all the goodies. The might in the world is now centered on those countries with vast energy reserves. Oops, not us. 3% of the worlds reserves and 25% of the consumption. Countries with the energy reserves are no longer our pawns, they are our masters. Get used to it.
It doesn't matter whom is elected president, he can't change the dynamics. But this life-long Republican will vote for Obama. McCain is an old man, much older than his years. His claim to fame is what? War hero? I think not. He flew planes, dropped 2000+ degree flaming Napalm on innocent civilians, got shot down, captured and tortured. Had it been my relatives he was murdering, he wouldn't be here to run for anything.
Funny how ones perception of "right and just" are clouded by their own interests.
I have mineral rights on hundreds of acres over one of the largest undeveloped natural gas fields in the U.S. The economic value is uncalculable. Think I'm going to develop it? Nope. It's habitat for elk, mule deer, bear, turkey, mountain lion, etc. That's it's value. When I bite the dust, it goes into a land trust, in perpetuity.
Now that's loving your country. What's your sacrifice?

Iron: Take some economics courses. MANY courses til you get it. Working on a set margin, if your costs set records, your profits will set records. O.K., kindergarden is over.

Right on, 676.

headed to the same status as England, ask someone from England, they blame it on the liberals that run the country. I know i have family their.
"I have mineral rights on hundreds of acres over one of the largest undeveloped natural gas fields in the U.S." sorry but dont believe it

O.K. junk, ya got me. A free milkbone to ya. I haven't been the same since the lobotomy.

cousinjed it's hard to give somebody that supports tax cuts for the extreme wealthy during war, much credibility on the economics. You're laughable. Thanks to your kind we garvely in debt to China. You're an economic moron! ROFLMFAO @ U!

Speaking of taxes (post #33) does anybody here know someone that hasn't paid their taxes on their home or business and has court dates because of it?

CORRECTION to post #70:

garvely = gravely

"cousinjed....I take your posistion and i hear you."

I think he meant "position."

Don't be so concerned about my education when you both need schooling.

ROFLMFAO @ the ignorance!

'GOOD-BYE FROM THE WORLD'S BIGGEST POLLUTER.'

The American leader, who has been condemned throughout his presidency for failing to tackle climate change, ended a private meeting with the words: "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."

He then punched the air while grinning widely, as the rest of those present including Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy looked on in shock.

Mr Bush, whose second and final term as President ends at the end of the year, then left the meeting at the Windsor Hotel in Hokkaido where the leaders of the world's richest nations had been discussing new targets to cut carbon emissions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/world...

WAKE UP! The Democrats in Congress are the reason for the NON-DRILLING in The U.S. They are attached AT THE HIP TO ENVIRONMENTALIST NUTJOBS! Attention People...Cuba/China are DRILLING off the FLORIDA COAST! We send Millions of $$$ MONTHLY to unfriendly Middle Eastern Regimes. How any sane person can think that OBAMA, who is not even for advancing NUCLEAR POWER, would be a friend in lowering gas prices is shocking! Just another example of how this Great Nation is being damaged by OPRAH and her ilk...and EVEN SHE saw the light as far as his Marxism...in otherwords, Barack Obama. This man spent a total of 143 days in The Senate, and doesn't know the difference between Veterans Day and Memorial Day. Yes, laugh now, call me a kook now...I will laugh last if this Leftist gets elected, because all of you who vote for him will get the Shock of your lives to your pocketbook within the First Two Years Of His Presidency!...What a Classic Example of HERD MENTALITY! WAKE UP! Want to Debate Me..BRING IT ON...just be prepared, because I have the information ( with Printed FACTS) that our LEFTIST MEDIA is hiding from you...c'mon...challenge this Kook...you just might learn something...

Hey Ironside...How Big is the CARBON FOOTPRINT the California Fires are Making? How big is the CARBON FOOTPRINT China makes EVERY HOUR??? California wants to put stickers on cars that show their emission levels, meanwhile, the current California Fires Belch UNTOLD Emissions into the air...Drive your Prius...then check out what the DEMS are doing for their Convention in Denver..the OBSCENE CARBON FOOTPRINT they will leave..WAKE UP!!! Change your lightbulbs next, and get ones filled with MERCURY...WAKE UP PEOPLE...and the Debate Challenge STANDS! I can back up everything I say with FACTS!!!

There are NO Chinese drilling rigs off Cuba. There are no plans for such. This piece of rightwing nonsense has been dashed so many times that no one outside a secure facility has any excuse for not knowing it is a lie.

But guys like CUBBUC would be nowhere without lies. Aren't lies what keep Bush/Cheney's balloon in the air?

What a stupid and wasteful effort it is to attempt debate in the same room with the proudly and purposely ignorant.

President Carter warned us 30 years ago about this. The neocons shot it down. Carter had solar panels put on the Whitehouse roof, President Reagan removed them.

People really need to educate themselves on the facts.

This is a MUST see video for those that really care to fix the problem we're facing in America today.

http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...

JunkieMutt missed post #71....what a moron!

ROFLMFAO (or maybe that's how he caught it.) LOL

Have another beer and pay your business taxes baldie! :)

NeezDitz, my brother is of your ilk. He also had ownership of 97 acres of mineral rights in the same field (we inherited it, didn't earn it). Sold them a few months ago for $10,000 per acre, and an override of $.25 per thousand cubic feet of production. Development of the field is in the beginning stages, so he has the upfront per acre. He's going to be a very rich man, but not the kind of "rich" that "enriches" me. Clearly, that is a concept that escapes you.

Right-on 676..... Impressive!

I think I'm the richest man in the world, with my happiness. I have a wonderful wife of 21 years and an awesome son that does good in school and gives me a lot of joy. He's never been in trouble.

Some people think wealth only comes in cash. I'm with you, there are other ways to be rich.

don't be mad 676, i just don't believe you. its hard to believe that someone of your stature is up at 11:12 at night posting on NDN (with others) that preach that they are happily married. i wasn't here because i was in bed with my wife because i was tired being with my son after work.
that being said,
none of you can debate that we need to get away from purchasing our oil from terrorists. Even if we were paying the same amount right now from the great US of A, at least the $$$ wouldn't be going to terrorists. See my example from post #58. They are lunatics and want us to die.
http://www.americansolutions.com/

"Oil rose $5.17 to $146.82 a barrel this morning after Brazilian oil workers said they will stage a 5-day strike at Petroleo Brasileiro's (PBR, news, msgs) 42 Campos basin offshore platforms. (The company is more commonly known as Petrobras.) The workers want Petrobras to give them a full day's pay for the day they spend traveling between the platform and the mainland.

The Campos basin produces more than 80% of Brazil's oil."
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/...
still dont want to have control over USA's oil?
http://www.americansolutions.com/

Vote Obama? Change? What change? the only change Obama has is changing his story as it suits him. I want to vomit everytime this man speaks. A real phony and carpetbagger. He has not made one realisitic proposal on anything. this you can go to the bank on. Everyone will have a tax increase. McCain is not much better either. What a shame, this is the best our country has to offer.

nobody wants to answer?

NeezDutz... You may be happy to know that the Democrats said today that they agree with exploration for drilling. BUT, they say we currently have a lot of leased land that and capped oil pumps that should be used, instead of drilling off-shore or in Alaska's ANWR. Newt Gingrich was saying the same thing a month or two ago. This is something I also have supported as a liberal Democrat. I think/hope this could tie us over while we work on new technology. I also believe you were saying yesterday that you didn't care if it was off-shore or not, but that we needed to drill here at home where ever we can get the oil from. So it appears many of us are on the same page here.

Sorry, I couldn't reply sooner, I was at the beach with my son having a little quality time. Gotta love our beaches, and families.

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Ironside, that is the best news i have heard all day. Now we need to drill.