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Letter of the Day: It has come to this?
Editor, Daily News:
A reader writes that the person who had her sandals and bicycle stolen should be grateful that some needy person (the one who stole them) has transportation and shoes.
The owner quite possibly had to walk home from the beach on the summer concrete without shoes or transportation. Perhaps the bicycle was her only means of transport.
A few days ago, a man parked his car outside of our home and proceeded to take saw palmetto berries from all the houses on the block. When I called the Collier County Sheriff’s Office to ask if this were common practice, to trespass on private property, I was told that many people are doing this now. They can earn money by selling the berries.
I must have missed a change in laws and morals. Aren’t the aforementioned occurrences called stealing and trespassing anymore? Is there a new law of the land based on the current economy? Does this mean if I don’t have a car and someone else does, I can just take his and he should be grateful that I now have transportation and he should just get another one?
Please let me know if the Golden Rule, the Ten Commandments and the things I learned from my parents are now out of date.
Carole Williams, Naples
Letter: China then and now
Editor, Daily News:
I returned in mid-May from a month in China.
It was a return visit, as I was last there in 1978.
To witness all the interest in China today is heartening. To appreciate what is going on, however, one needs a sense of history which I find is lacking in much of the commentary.
Look back, understand, learn, then speak.
My aunt was born in Beijing in 1923. It was a time of death, misery and despair, with foreign nations tearing China apart. Chinese people have lived through bad times and evil rulers for centuries. Their genius for survival against fearsome odds is awesome!
In 1978 in Beijing the hutong homes we visited had earthen floors, but they were spotless. An elderly resident told us how she had been a “slave to imperialists” but was grateful to Chairman Mao Zedong for a home (communal toilet and neighborhood water faucet) — a beggar no longer.
It was an eye-opener 30 years ago!
We saw community health centers, visited schools where children not only looked healthy, they were active, alert and interested learners. We saw quality day-care centers in cities and towns and at factories (at a time when they were rare in the United States).
I felt the government was making an effort to make things better for its people who, in my aunt’s day, would have died. It was a country in the midst of a massive transition, after Mao. Things have moved on.
The economic miracles today, the growth, the changes, the quality of life go hand-in-hand with government controls. I find it naive to discuss handling 1.3 billion people without laws and controls.
Do I favor government domination? The “ordinary” citizens we spoke with saw it as a trade-off — the chance to move ahead financially with historical perspective on patience. It’s not my call; I can visit, observe, compare and leave.
My hope is that the Olympic games will act as a catalyst for more positive changes within China as athletes competed and compared notes. More, the television and newspaper coverage showed us all a China reinventing itself.
In an ancient country, with more than 4,000 years of history, there’s always tomorrow.
Nancy Webster, Naples
Letter: Doing right by vets
Editor, Daily News:
In two days, readers managed to write more letters castigating John Riccio and Arlington South than they did supporting the newly revised GI Bill which neither President Bush nor John McCain supported.
Only when it became apparent that the bill was going to pass did they flip-flop, adding family educational benefits, thankfully.
They lacked the courage to leave in the slight tax increase to pay for this bill. Far more important for Bush to be able to say he never raised taxes than take fiscal responsibility for his actions.
The Disabled American Veterans organization doesn’t take positions on political candidates, but it does keep very careful track of how our elected officials vote on bills that affect veterans.
If you go to the DAV Web site you can do your own research on who best supports veterans. The figures show of Barack Obama supporting veterans funding bills 90 percent and McCain only 30 percent of the time in the Senate.
Obama in his 31⁄2 short years has a far better record than McCain’s much longer record.
Chris Burns, Naples
Letter: A deeper look
Editor, Daily News:
Americans are being squeezed by high energy prices and the oil companies are taking advantage to push their long-term drilling agenda.
Now, in the waning days of the Bush administration, they are making a last-chance land grab.
Exxon Mobil made more money in one three-month period than any other corporation in U.S. history — while we were paying $4 a gallon for gas.
Increased drilling won’t solve the problem, but it will increase oil-industry profits. Doing more of the same won’t solve our problem; embracing clean-energy options and efficiency will.
Please help us counter Big Oil’s lies and help us push for the changes we must make and that will earn our children’s thanks.
Here are the facts:
1. More oil drilling will not lower gas prices or create energy independence.
2. There isn’t much left of America that isn’t already open to oil drilling.
3. More drilling doesn’t mean paying less.
4. There is no guarantee that if we drill our coasts, the oil won’t just be shipped abroad.
5. Offshore drilling is a dirty business. If we open our coasts to Big Oil, we can look forward to ruined beaches, oil-slicked wildlife and toxic air and water pollution.
There are solutions to our energy crisis, but drilling isn’t one of them.
Raymond Smith , Marco Island
Letter: Furthermore
Editor, Daily News:
My last printed letter dealt with the outrageous exploitation by the oil companies.
The one or two rebuttals failed to comprehend the magnitude of the problem, nor focused on my argument.
I can only wish that your readers studied and informed themselves of the role of OPEC and the monopolistic oil companies. Then they would understand the fallacies of free market and the nonsense the oil barons promote by blaming supply and demand.
These oligarchs know that now is the best time to grab more leases and propagandize for drilling in public lands and offshore coasts.
The Bush administration and some members of Congress demonstrate their strong belief in socialism for the rich, be they oil companies or financial institutions. The herds follow like sheep to the slaughter, even though giving the oil companies more land will not provide more oil for the purpose of reducing prices.
Offshore drilling will do nothing to remediate the inflationary price of gas. Only the threat of nationalization or governmental regulation will bring to a halt the dominance of corporations and their control of this republic.
The oil companies have been slashing output at their refineries to hold down supply and jack up prices. The speculators are ready to manipulate markets after the election for crude oil at $200 per barrel.
My voice probably will not convince the diehards who cannot face the reality of an America that is transfixed on greed and special privilege.
Not until Naples citizens suffer the pain of those hurting across the country will they understand how serious the matter is.
H.H. Hermann, Naples and Milwaukee
Letter: Sizing them up
Editor, Daily News:
I would like to thank Brian Kenedy for his letter to the editor on Aug. 19.
How very true it rings as regards to Wesley Clark and John Kerry as heroes.
How naive can letter-writer John Riccio be. How filled with venom!
I attended a graduation ceremony where Clark was guest speaker. He could not wait to attack the present administration. His partisan political attack did not appeal to the audience. We still have not learned the reason for his being dismissed as head of NATO.
In discussion groups, after the ceremony, his name was mud!
Another note of interest about Riccio’s letter of Aug. 22 attacking John McCain’s adultery: His memory is short. Does he recall the name Bill Clinton? People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Yes, I am proud. I join with letter-writer Al Abrahams’ choice of McCain over Barack Obama.
And it not because I hate Obama. I feel he is not ready.
Anne Miller, Naples
Letter: Making cents?
Editor, Daily News:
Now for some math:
Instead of borrowing money from other countries to boost our economy, let us do it our way.
The Republicans kept the minimum wage at a low amount over the years and look what happened.
Most people don’t understand money and how it grows. Normally, a dollar passes through four hands in a year. So a dollar-a-day increase means $40 a week in the money supply. Forty dollars a week times 50 weeks adds up to a $2,000 increase a year. Two thousand dollars times 40 million wage earners adds up to $80 billion added to the economy.
Now, doesn’t this make more sense than borrowing money at high interest rates?
Bob E. Moulton, Naples
Letter: Soul my eye
Editor, Daily News:
Re: Martin Schram’s column on Thursday extolling the virtues of Ted Kennedy, the “Liberal Lion” putting the “soul” back in the Democratic Party at the party convention.
How can Democrats ignore Kennedy’s moral transgressions? This is the same man who let Mary Jo Kopechne drown as he fled to the family compound to cover his butt.
Doesn’t anyone remember his famous weekend in Palm Beach when a night on the town with his nephews ended up with one accused of rape? Or that the U.S. Army denied him a commission because he cheated on tests?
Yes, Ted (no windmills in my backyard) Kennedy sure is the soul of the Democratic Party all right. This, at the convention where they wouldn’t let John Edwards speak because of a sexual affair, even though he still had pledged delegates. But they let Bill Clinton speak! Wow, what a soul.
There’s a story going around the Internet about an Irishman writing to an American friend questioning what our big decision is all about. One candidate is a liberal Chicago lawyer with a wife who’s not too proud of America. And the other is a kindly old war hero with an Irish name whose wife owns a beer distributorship.
Works for me!
David Burnett, Naples
Letter: Memory like an elephant’s
Editor, Daily News:
Whoa, not so fast Martin Schram:
Re: his column, “Kennedy puts soul’ back into the Democratic Party.”
He alludes to the speech by Edward Kennedy stating: “Kennedy performed with eloquence that was exceeded only by his courage.”
Courage? While I feel sorry for Kennedy with his illness, I will never forget the picture I get of Mary Jo Kopechne gasping for her last breath of air in that tidal pond while Kennedy went home to “sleep it off.”
I voted for Jack Kennedy and would have voted for Bobby Kennedy, but they were the last Democrats I feel were worthy of my vote.
Hillary Clinton was responsible for most of the “gates” while in the White House, and stealing furniture from it, while Bill Clinton pointed his finger at me on television and lied to me. These were the people who were featured speakers at the Democratic convention. This is the reason I have had it with the Democrats.
Some people have short memories of such transgressions. I do not.
John Wilhelm, Naples
Letter: Manners on the menu
Editor, Daily News:
In response to the gentleman who complained about his son being asked to remove his hat while dining at a Naples Third Street restaurant.
It’s a comfort to see that someone still holds the tradition and standards of yesterday high when manners were taught in the home. In these days, pants worn below the behind exposing one’s undergarment and tattoos and piercings are quite common.
I remember that we never sat at the dinner table at home with a hat on or we would have it removed from our head, sometimes rather promptly.
Obviously, the owner of the restaurant has a policy of no hats, regardless of the cost or whether it is a designer cap or a baseball cap. A simple request to remove one’s hat should not have been taken personally. It is a common courtesy to remove one’s hat at the dinner table, just as it is to stand up when introduced to shake hands or hold the door open for a lady.
It’s nice to see our youth honor our Olympians by wearing the designer cap worn by the U.S. team. I am sure our athletes removed their hats when our national anthem was played as well as when they sat down for dinner.
Natalie Kotecki, Naples
Letter: Rubbish
Editor, Daily News:
Several residents at Bayfront Place have voiced their objections to the extension of the cabana bar.
They have been 2-to-1 against the development by residents registered with the Naples City Council and the Design Review Board.
As a resident of Naples, I would like to know, what do the taxpayers of homes in Naples need to do to stop a development which will harm their property prices and cause more congestion? We are always being told by our board of directors that we need to help the developer.
We have been very considerate over the years and have gone along with all his wishes, but this is the final straw. We have values to protect; and in a property market like this, this is the last thing we need to devalue our properties further.
The development will take away our views of the water, which we paid premium prices for, and will also cause a great deal of pollution in the Gordon River. This is an area where dolphins and manatees regularly swim and bring their young. The rubbish which will definitely end up in this river will be a danger to these animals.
Please, what more can we do than vote against this and make the council listen to people who pay a lot of taxes to them.
Henry and Shirley Voss, Naples
Letter: There she goes again
Editor, Daily News:
The “scold” of Naples is at it again, or should I say still at it.
Jane Varner complains we are receiving a “one-sided” account of Russia’s invasion of Georgia. She goes on to turn reality on its head by opining Georgia invaded the “breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia,” implying that a country does not have the right to deal with insurrections provoked by a foreign power.
Of course, she goes on to blame John McCain and President Bush for their reaction, worried that they have “recreated” a formidable enemy. Even though we now have at least two examples of how brutal Russia is in the post-Cold War era (Chechnya and Georgia), she blames McCain and Bush and not the Russians.
I expect that Varner and the other scolds will find their placards and on some Sunday morning will be protesting on U.S. 41 north of Pine Ridge Road. Their placards will say, “Georgia, keep your hands off Russia.”
I firmly believe that if the state of Georgia invaded the state of Florida, Varner would wait to see what McCain and Bush said. If they opposed the invasion she would be all for it!
Sad but true. Hate is a cancerous vice and some have more of it than I thought possible.
Joe Kiernan, Bonita Springs
Letter: ’The starting bell’
Editor, Daily News:
My congratulations go to Bob Janes on his winning the Republican nomination for the Lee County Commission, District 1.
Much media attention has been paid to the primary candidates. Much money has been spent on winning his party’s nomination. The winner deserves congratulations for his success.
However, the primary vote is not a final election vote; it just rings the starting bell for the real campaign to begin.
It has been 20 years since a non-Republican was elected to the Lee County board. I know the election history, but new history is frequently made when circumstances are new!
This year the circumstances are different because of the dissatisfaction of the public. People are looking for solutions to our slumping economy. They are looking for answers to how we can continue to grow and yet save our unique environment which draws people to Lee County.
They are looking for smart choices on how to spend their tax dollars, and on how to cut waste.
I have no party affiliation, and I look forward to presenting my point of view on the issues so the voters can make an informed decision based on which candidate has the vision, energy, skill and experience to bring new ideas to the commission in a time when business as usual won’t jump-start our economy.
Let the real race begin!
Carla Johnston, Sanibel Island, Candidate, Lee County Commission, District 1
Letter: A deeper look
Editor, Daily News:
Americans are being squeezed by high energy prices and the oil companies are taking advantage to push their long-term drilling agenda.
Now, in the waning days of the Bush administration, they are making a last-chance land grab.
Exxon Mobil made more money in one three-month period than any other corporation in U.S. history — while we were paying $4 a gallon for gas.
Increased drilling won’t solve the problem, but it will increase oil-industry profits. Doing more of the same won’t solve our problem; embracing clean-energy options and efficiency will.
Please help us counter Big Oil’s lies and help us push for the changes we must make and that will earn our children’s thanks.
Here are the facts:
1. More oil drilling will not lower gas prices or create energy independence.
2. There isn’t much left of America that isn’t already open to oil drilling.
3. More drilling doesn’t mean paying less.
4. There is no guarantee that if we drill our coasts, the oil won’t just be shipped abroad.
5. Offshore drilling is a dirty business. If we open our coasts to Big Oil, we can look forward to ruined beaches, oil-slicked wildlife and toxic air and water pollution.
There are solutions to our energy crisis, but drilling isn’t one of them.
Raymond Smith, Marco Island
Letter: Doing right by vets
Editor, Daily News:
In two days, readers managed to write more letters castigating John Riccio and Arlington South than they did supporting the newly revised GI Bill which neither President Bush nor John McCain supported.
Only when it became apparent that the bill was going to pass did they flip-flop, adding family educational benefits, thankfully.
They lacked the courage to leave in the slight tax increase to pay for this bill. Far more important for Bush to be able to say he never raised taxes than take fiscal responsibility for his actions.
The Disabled American Veterans organization doesn’t take positions on political candidates, but it does keep very careful track of how our elected officials vote on bills that affect veterans.
If you go to the DAV Web site you can do your own research on who best supports veterans. The figures show of Barack Obama supporting veterans funding bills 90 percent and McCain only 30 percent of the time in the Senate.
Obama in his 31⁄2 short years has a far better record than McCain’s much longer record.
Chris Burns, Naples
Letter: How convenient
Editor, Daily News:
Our federal government’s lack of character really comes out of the well when it comes to energy.
Last I looked, monopolies are illegal in this country. The U.S. government doesn’t seem to care. Not only do we buy an obscene amount of imported oil, but much of it comes from OPEC, which according to our own laws is operating as a criminal conspiracy.
That’s right. Guess it’s OK to look the other way if you really need something. Does that mean that we condone buying stolen merchandise if we really need it?
Then again, wouldn’t it be nice to know how Canada’s and Mexico’s prices compare to OPEC’s prices?
Our government officials have failed to live up to their responsibility of obeying our own laws. Phooey to all of them.
Jeff White, Naples
Letter: Furthermore
Editor, Daily News:
My last printed letter dealt with the outrageous exploitation by the oil companies.
The one or two rebuttals failed to comprehend the magnitude of the problem, nor focused on my argument.
I can only wish that your readers studied and informed themselves of the role of OPEC and the monopolistic oil companies. Then they would understand the fallacies of free market and the nonsense the oil barons promote by blaming supply and demand.
These oligarchs know that now is the best time to grab more leases and propagandize for drilling in public lands and offshore coasts.
The Bush administration and some members of Congress demonstrate their strong belief in socialism for the rich, be they oil companies or financial institutions. The herds follow like sheep to the slaughter, even though giving the oil companies more land will not provide more oil for the purpose of reducing prices.
Offshore drilling will do nothing to remediate the inflationary price of gas. Only the threat of nationalization or governmental regulation will bring to a halt the dominance of corporations and their control of this republic.
The oil companies have been slashing output at their refineries to hold down supply and jack up prices. The speculators are ready to manipulate markets after the election for crude oil at $200 per barrel.
My voice probably will not convince the diehards who cannot face the reality of an America that is transfixed on greed and special privilege.
Not until Naples citizens suffer the pain of those hurting across the country will they understand how serious the matter is.
H.H. Hermann, Naples and Milwaukee
Letter: Go Dutch
Editor, Daily News:
Think about it. I ask your readers to bear with me in what follows.
In south central Pennsylvania, there are people often referred to as Pennsylvania Dutch. Their customs and habits are often different from the norm. This was depicted in a wonderful movie a few years ago, “Witness.” If you haven’t seen it, look for a rerun on TV.
Their language differs from ours, although it’s close enough for us to understand its meanings. For example, a sign on an out-of-order doorbell will read: “Bell won’t bingle. Bump.” You get the point?
A more commonly known expression is a perfect description of the choice to be made in this year’s presidential election: “Vee get too soon old and too late schmart.”
Charles C. Hewitt Jr., Naples
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Have you fallen into the Rove strategy?
#1 Posted by GoneFishin on September 1, 2008 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Carole Williams, vote for Obama and that's what you'll have!
#2 Posted by GoneFishin on September 1, 2008 at 7:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I believe that Obama's mother married his father, but his father left when Obama was two, so he was raised by her and his grandparents. She didn't abandon him for her career or greater things. She sounds like she was a good, devoted mother.
The only reason I compared Obama's vote in the Illinois legislature for funds to construct housing in poor areas with Bush's Iraq war was the Neo Cons here who think Bush is the Cat's Meow overlook the huge graft and waste of money he did but pick on Obama's vote to invest in poor neighborhoods here. They can't see the forest for the trees.
Obama has shown me something very important and that is his proven judgment on foreign policy, id est his foresight and speaking against our invasion of Iraq. Also, I like his belief that we should talk to our opponents try diplomacy first rather than accuse them and bring out the big weapons and guns.
Bill Clinton said something at the convention worth noting; Others are more impressed by the power of our example than the example of our power. I agree. We need to give more of better example and less of belligerency that is getting us no where and costing us enormously.
But Sarah Palin, well she has no thoughts on that subject. Just hasn't thought about it. Wow!
BTW is her daughter getting pregnant an example of how abstenance education works? Personally, I feel sorry for the girl. Obviously her mother's been busy either having more babies or being governor. I think it's time Sarah give a little more time to her family instead of pursuing a position that could put her shortly in the presidency. Now, how can she do either job very well?
#3 Posted by truthmatters on September 1, 2008 at 7:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
NDN
Edit the LE section. You repeat so many letters so often. Can't anyone proof read your web pages?
Incompetent fools!
#4 Posted by cornandbeans on September 1, 2008 at 8:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Jimboaw made an excellent point yesterday.
"Abstinence only" education ? If she was my daughter I would do my utmost to convince her that an abortion was better than the risk of ruining the rest of her life. Palin should do the right thing now which is to take herself off the ticket and head home to her daughter's side. If she does not the average mother is going to be so disgusted by her putting ambition before family that they will vote in droves for Obama."
Time for the "compassionate conservative" to walk the walk.
To desert what is obviously confused and impressionable young girl at what is the most traumatic time in her life speaks volumes about our soccer moms morals and priorities.
SHAME ON HER. And anyone that would support such horrendous behavior. The race for power and money over one's own child's welfare certainly defines Palin's character , or lack, thereof.
You fella's just blew the election.
And have earned the loss.
#5 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Republicans have nominated a woman to be a "heart beat away" from leading this country. She is the "heart" of a dysfuntional family and she is supposed to be able to lead our nation?
This is a travesty in judgment that characterizes the last 8 years of failure by Republican control of the White House.
The hypocrisy demonstrated by the GOP slated candidates is a testament to the "promise" of 4 more years of futility and failure. America cannot afford to squander the future for empty promises from a party (GOP) that has lost its ideals and principles.
#6 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 1, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Palin family "update": It would be appropriate that if Bristol's baby is a boy, they name it Gustav. It's only appropriate to "honor" a storm that has allowed the GOP to side step their convention and all its potential embarassing predicaments. McCain is in the Gulf area? Is he in charge already? Bush is "monitoring the situation from Texas? I hope he is in a bunker. Cheney is off to Georgia? No not Atlanta, but Tblisi. Now, that's "leadership" and the last vestiges of collusion and disengagement from domestic responsibility.
If its a girl - then what? Gustava?
#7 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 1, 2008 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ms. Palins vast experience includes, ya ready?
Won a beauty contest. Yup, Miss Polar Bear. No horse show experience, though like Brownie.
A small town mayor with more grizzley's than people. Perhaps that is why she is so adamant about legalizing shooting these and all other creatures from helicopters.
She was a governor of a desolate state for less than two years.
In that short period of time, she is already under investigation for abuse of office. After denying she or her staff attempted to have her ex-brother in law fired as a state trooper, those pesky tapes neocons hate surfaced. Caught off guard, she has been dancin, dancin, dancin ever since. Had to have been be a little embarrassing admitting to the press you outright lied.
What to make of our beauty queen? Abuses her office to protect her sister yet then abandons her daughter in a desperate attempt at the White House.
Sounds as though Ms. Palin is most concerned with Ms. Palin's own interests. If she has to screw her constituents and family in the process, so be it.
#8 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I recently checked out the DVD "Fahrenheit 9/11", a documentary by Michael Moore from the library. It made me cry to see how much suffering and death President Bush has caused the people in Iraq and our own soldiers. I firmly believe that our president Bush should have been impeached for invading another country and causing several thousands of deaths. He is no better than other dictators that have been brought before the world court at the Hague.
I've seen other documentaries by Michael Moore, such as "Bowling for Columbine" and "Sicko".
It makes me weep to think that there is so much greed and corruption in high places in this country. The National Rifle Association runs the country. Most other industrialized countries have better medical care for it's people than we do.
Some of our leaders are just plain evil. Giant corporations are behind the war in Iraq, and they are getting rich from the deaths and disabilities of our military people. Our veterans are not being taken care of like they should. I am very discouraged about the situation in Washington. Our leaders don't seem to care whether people suffer or not. Every day people are being helped less and less, as money is taken from programs that help people.
The country is much worse off than it was during Roosevelt's administration. He put people to work and gave people food and clothing who needed it. Our present government is doing hardly nothing to help people who need food, clothing and shelter.
Things look very bleak in this country. It will take a miracle to help those in need. Our government doesn't seem to care what happens to people who have lost their homes and don't have a job. This country is definately moving in the wrong direction under president Bush.
#9 Posted by rationalman on September 1, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
An open question to all.
If your daughter found herself in the same situation, yet you had the opportunity to achieve a job thousands of miles away that would basically consume your life 24-7 for the next four years, would ya pack your bags or support your daughter?
This ought to be interesting.
#10 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 8:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#7 "Bushie" Rejoice
1. Obama graduated from Harvard, a prestige university. He was in the top of his class with many prestigious honors.
2. Obama entered a squalid Chicago environment rampant with discriminatory norms and practices and organized a movement to propel him into a position of leadership. They call that grassroots elevation! Hard for Budweiser dealerships to comprehend.
3. Obama won elective office to the Senate of the United States, an office not to be belittled by any perverted, demented political ignoramus.
4. Obama declared the Bush impetus to grab influence in Iraq and their oil reserves as an illegal and political farce doomed to failure with the loss of American prestige and moral fiber.
5. Obama instilled a hope in resurrecting America's reputation by stimulating a movement that propelled him into the candidacy for the office of president of the United States. This in the face of great obstacles and more formidable established political entities.
There's just 5 big accomplishments that your "hockey mom" missed with her daughter and who knows what else Rejoice! Hurry up and get out those RNC u-tube "manufactured" talking points to defend your insanity.
#11 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 1, 2008 at 9:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Soccer moms especially are encouraged to respond.
#12 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice,
What would you do? Stay home to support your daughter in her time of need, or jet of to D.C., land of power, wealth, and opportunity?
What would be most important in your compassionate conservative heart?
LOL.
Gawd ya guys make it easy.
And THANK YOU for the VP choice.
#13 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 9:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I can't understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for McCain. Now he has chosen someone for his vice president who is a religious conservative with little experience. It scares me to think what will happen to this country if McCain dies while in office. Would she be able to run the country? Would she know what to do about foreign affairs? If we are attacked, would she be able to handle the situation? How will she deal with the economy and how will she help people who are suffering in this country? She is scarey. I think she is an albatross for the Republican Party.
I've been reading all the comments against Obama. Maybe he's not as honest as he should be, but what politician doesn't have some skeletans in their closets? I don't trust politicians. When we vote, we vote for the lesser of two evils and who will do the most for the benefit of the people. I'm more interested in having the people taken care of than whether our politicians are perfect specimens of humanity. None of them are.
I still think under Obama, our people will be better taken care of. McCain is too much like Bush, and I can't vote for that kind of reactionary government.
Politics makes enemies out of people. It shouldn't be that way. I face reality, but I don't think anyone who votes for McCain knows what reality is, and maybe they don't care.
#14 Posted by rationalman on September 1, 2008 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh no!!!!!!!!
It has happened again.
The silence is deafening.
That is the sound of the neocons running around searching for quarters to put in the juke box.
Then it is DANCIN, DANCIN, DANCIN!!!!!!!!
Just like Palin.
Caught off guard.
blasted THOSE TAPES!!!!!!
#15 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh my!!!!
From the Juneau News, Ms. Palin local paper:
Man who made controversial call on leave
Bailey to draw his annual salary while Palin investigation continues
By Steve Quinn | The Associated Press
Gov. Sarah Palin placed the state's director of boards and commissions on paid administrative leave Tuesday while an investigation continues into whether she abused her power when firing former public safety commissioner Walt Monegan.
Frank Bailey was one of several officials who placed a call to the Alaska State Troopers questioning the employment of an officer who went through a messy divorce with Palin's sister.
Monegan has said he felt pressure to fire the trooper, Mike Wooten.
Palin denies firing Monegan because he refused to dismiss the trooper.
But last week, she acknowledged that at least two dozen calls were made by staff members to Public Safety Department officials questioning Wooten's employment, including one by Bailey that was retained on tape."
Oh Jeez. Those freakin'tapes again?
LOL.
Any one want to bet on the election?
#16 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Geez, Junior, I was gonna comment, but you're on a roll. Good luck.
I don't think hate is the answer.
#17 Posted by almasonlybar on September 1, 2008 at 9:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Phew Gram,
It was sniagrab today at Boulder Ski and Sport and Sports Authority.
The 09 boots and skis leave one drooling!!!!!
Sorry if I got carried away.
We all need to thank the Big Guy. Could have been disasterous for the folks on the Gulf.
#18 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My advice... don't make up your mind until you're in the voting booth. Too many blank slates in this election and it's really good strategy to hold your best cards until right before the end so there's no time for rebuttal. I suspect there's more to come. Should be fun.
#19 Posted by AARGGHHH on September 1, 2008 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh my,
CBS is now reporting prime time upon Ms. Palin's investigation of her personal corruption while covering what should be an affirmation of neocon values at the Republican National Convention..
Ouch!!!!!!!
The worst possible scenario. Gustav ain't the only fatal storm a blowin'.
Sorry fella's. I couldn't imagine the damage control you all face.
ANY ONE WANNA BET ON THE ELECTION???????
#20 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 10:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oldtimer,
Most folks don't give much credence to what a Washington lawyer thinks.
We want to know what you think.
Should Ms. Palin chase her own power quest in D.C. or stay home and take care of her daughter?
And is it OK to use her position as Governor to have her ex-brother in law fired?
Should she have told the truth when first asked about her intervention or was it best to lie?
This is like clubbin' baby seals.
#21 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 10:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oldtimer?????
Oldtimer?????????????
Ya don't even dance anymore?
Just run and hide?
Guess I would too.
#22 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 10:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm thankful Ms. Palin has brought teen pregnancy and its negative consequences onto the national scene. The fact that she lacks the capability of controlling a teen age girl yet is prepared to desert her when most needed is irrelevant.
Let's talk about her abuse of power and the massive news coverage it is receiving. As a matter of fact, CBS just called her nomination "the worst decision in presidential candidate history,"
Great coverage for mini me.
ANYONE WANT TO BET ON THE ELECTION?
LOL.
#23 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And Rejoice, if you think this is just an inconvenience for a 17 year old child like a zit on a Saturday night, you have shown how out of touch with reality you are.
What would your reaction be to your child finding herself in the same position?
Would ya fly off to your new job?
Idiot!!!!!
#24 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The neocons crack me up.
It is OK for an 18 year old kid to carry an M16 in battle, get pregnant, yet cannot buy a beer.
TIME TO FLUSH THE TOILET.
#25 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 11:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RECAP.......
Night one at DNC....
MICHELLE O. gives electrifying speech unifying the party.
Night one RNC......
Most coverage diverted to hurricane. What little is left centers on teen daughters pregnancy yet is eclipsed by coverage of abuse of power and corruption by Ms. Palin.
ANYONE WANNA BET ON THE ELECTION??????????
#26 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 11:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
THANK YOU GOD FOR MS. PALIN!!!!!!!!!!
#27 Posted by boulderbilly on September 1, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice,
Do you feel it is best for "conservative kids" to breast feed their love child during Introduction to Spanish or Algebra I? Because we know how "grown up" they are.
So which is it? Intro to Sanish or Algebra I?
LMAO.
Ouch.
#28 Posted by boulderbilly on September 2, 2008 at 12:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Unbelievable!!
Republicans have gone totally "mad" in their defense of mistakes made in judgment and application. It's startling to watch in amazement their denunciation of conservative principles for the sake of party loyalty and association.
I think many voters who would have gone into the voting booth and voted against Obama because he is black will now have difficulty voting for the McCain ticket from the same perspective of the bias thinking that still prevails in America today.
It's ridiculous to see idiots classify kids as conservatives and liberals by the mistakes or shortcomings they make. Creating stereotypes by providing "examples" like Ms Palin constitutes a degredation of education that emanates from the home.
I watched a number of Republican "spinsters" try to equate Bristol's "passionate experience" to something tantamount like getting a speeding ticket while driving. All I could determine was the misinterpretation of the word "compassionate" by reckless Conservative Republicans with selfish interests.
If the GOP can withstand this "embarrassment", it will be an encore to the Watergate revitalization and the benchmark for a lower moral standard in America. Hypocrisy personified!
#29 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 2, 2008 at 5:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Question : Why didn't McBush, when doing the VP Palin intro, tell us about Palins daughter being pregnant? He gave us details of her son in the military?
Why did Palin also 'forget' to tell us she was going to be a proud grandmother as she also gave details of her family but mostly of her son? What's more important, Palin daughter having a baby or that her son is in the military?
Did Palin have plans to ship her daughter away and hide her until after the election?
Republican moral values are a joke and only used to make themselves feel good and get elected.
#30 Posted by bossman1 on September 2, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Great LTE HH, maybe your best. Printing in only twice was not enough, twice more tomorrow would be good.
#31 Posted by bossman1 on September 2, 2008 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
When is the other shoe gonna drop?
BRITTANY PALINS proud poppa ought to emerge on the scene any day.
Can ya imagine the damage control when it turns out the happy hubby is a 40 year old unemployed meth head?
LMAO.
THANK YOU MINI ME for exposing your complete lack of judgement in picking a VP.
#32 Posted by boulderbilly on September 2, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
We’re not even eight hours into the era of the McCain - Palin ticket, but I am quickly becoming more and more convinced that John McCain had previously decided upon T-Paw or Romney but hit the panic button and selected Sarah Palin after Obama’s Mile High Stadium speech without full vetting. Two items have already jumped to the front page. The first, of course, is what is quickly being dubbed with the overdrawn nickname of “troopergate.” During our radio show today, I was told by a good friend that “if this is the best they can find…” but it seems the best may indeed have some legs. We live in the Internet Age, and it’s amazing that McCain’s team didn’t realize that the news reports from Channel 11 in Anchorage would be available on this story. Apparently, in a period of only a few weeks, Governor Palin completely reversed herself on her story about the firing of her brother-in-law.
Oh my........
Mini me brought down by TROOPERGATE and LITTLE BRITTANY..........
LOL.
Thanks for the effort fella's.
We'll see ya again in eight years.
Phase II. The CLINTONS return!!!!!!!
#33 Posted by boulderbilly on September 2, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sure glad someone from Marco thinks he knows about the oil business. My take is that the biggest reason those areas claiming to have oil probably don't, plus they don't have the transportation systems to get whatever oil is there out. The old argument about "years before we get any oil" is the same reason we got into this mess in the first place. Look at the growth in oil consumption vs. imports. Large finds offshore and easier transportation makes it worth doing.
It is sad that Paris Hilton came up with a better plan than the moonbats.
#34 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Didn't McCain oppose the Vet Bill because it would have made it harder to retain troops during war time?
Sounds like tough leadership that the moonbats can't ever understand.
#35 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"This might not fit well in the whole “straight talk express” line. But what is more interesting may be Palin’s stance on abortion. While still a divisive issue in the country, poll after poll has shown that voters are only willing to go just so far in support of pro-life movements. Palin has apparently shown herself to be just about as far out on the far right fringe as one could be on this issue, going so far as to say that abortion should be banned even in the cases of rape or incest.
No matter how conservative you are, you don’t win elections these days on that kind of platform. No word yet on whether or not Palin supports letting a mother die in an effort to save a four-month gestation fetus, but then we’ve only had six hours to dig. The point is, it just doesn’t sell in large portions of the country, particularly with women who can empathize with their sisters who may have been placed in such a horrific condition. I don’t know if we’ll ever know the truth on this one, but I am becoming more and more convinced that this was a panic move on McCain’s part and Governor Palin was simply not fully-vetted before being thrust on the ticket.
I’m still no fan of Barack Obama, but he may be the luckiest man on the face of the planet today."
THANK YOU MS. POLAR BEAR.
YOU HAVE ASSURED THE ELECTION FOR THE OBAMANATION!!!!!!!!!
#36 Posted by boulderbilly on September 2, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice, you don't seem to understand.
The liberals seem to think that Palin's daughter should have an abortion so she won't be
"punished with a baby" as Barry put it.
Her daughter is a legally consenting individual who will do just fine raising a child and I'm sure the child's grandmother will be exemplary.
#37 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Algonquin999.......Rejoice has long lost any creditability with anyone on this forum....continuous lies.....misrepresentations...half truths and then racist comments
it is indicative that when you have nothing good to say .....you attack the other person with innuendos...hearsay...and made up slander
#38 Posted by Canuck on September 2, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice, give it up.
You've been beating the drum about how PRESIDENT OBAMA has accepted homes, hung with killers etc.
The press has had a year to look into those allegations and have come up with ZIP.
Ms Polar Bear appears on the scene and in less than two weeks and has major problems.
Bottom line....if there were any dirt on PRESIDENT OBAMA, it would have been exposed long ago.
We appreciate your efforts though. Makes the election of PRESIDENT OBAMA a certainty.
#39 Posted by boulderbilly on September 2, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama hangs out with cop killing terrorist and doesn't want his daughter to be "punished with a baby."
But that's OK because...because...because...
That's not OK.
Oh, yeah, money stolen from Iraq was used to help Obama buy a mansion whilst it was being hidden from the government.
But that's OK because...because...because...
That's not OK.
#40 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
rational, you watched what is termed a "mockumentary". No wonder you fell for it. The most famous B S - the vacation thing where they showed Bush on a golf cart: with Tony Blair.
Moonbats!
#41 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
No matter who gets in it'll be a first. First lady VP or First Black President. Obama's an eloquent speaker (just like Martin Luther King) but neither has/had the capability to be president.
#42 Posted by Ava1 on September 2, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
A bunch of proud protesters out there on the fringe, eh?
Just wonderful human beings with an axe to grind, so they destroy things in the name of peace.
And eddie worries about an old mockumentary.
Exactly how does a moonbat howl?
#43 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Allah help us all.... If he gets elected....
http://tncwatch.com/2008/05/obamas-no...
#44 Posted by Ed_Foster on September 2, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SAME PEOPLE WITH THE SAME STUPID POSTS. BOTH SIDES SEEM TO BE PSYCHOS. OH WELL!!!
#45 Posted by anotherdummy on September 2, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What does it say about a mothers values when she would expose her pregnant little girl to a media frenzy if an effort to acheive power?
She knew she couldn't keep this quiet. Nor the active investigation into her abuse of office by the Alaskan legislature.
SHAME ON HER!!!!!!!!!!!!
How humiliating it must be to deny ever pressuring a commisioner to fire your brother in law and then THE TAPE is produced.
OOPS, THEY'VE DONE IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!
TROOPERGATE!!!!!!!!
#46 Posted by boulderbilly on September 2, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#59..new player on the forum....Ed_Foster
just love it when they post lies as truth by giving you a site from a redneck coservative blog....invite everyone to go to the site and then log on to...... snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp
who refute everything said...origin was from some radical Christian couple in Kenya who...... among other way out statements..... say the stars in the US flag are a Satanical sign
but Rejoice would have picked this up and re-posted as the truth!!!!!
#47 Posted by Canuck on September 2, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What would the save the sperm/egg people say if it was Obama's daughter that came up pregnant at 17 and unmarried?
Who will take care of this baby?
Did the pregnant girl have a choice to give the child up? abort? or not marry the father?
Will Sara Palin let the daughter die if it means saving the baby?
#48 Posted by bossman1 on September 2, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
boss, Barry already addressed that. He wouldn't want his daughters to be "punished with a baby."
The fact that Karl Rove new about this months in advance should make the ploy quite obvious. I was having lunch at a bar yesterday when this news broke. They had Fox News on and guess who was the first person to address the issue? Karl Rove.
Leave this one alone or else justify the "punished with a baby" comment.
You can't. You just ignore the slime from Obama's trail.
#49 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The moonbats just keep denying that some shady Chicago politics is going on. They can't say it didn't happen, they just refuse to accept what should be plain before their eyes because they just love a rock star.
The way this election is going, we may as well just use American Idol to select a president. That's what the democrats did for their candidate.
#50 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, as soon as I saw that post with the lies, I snoped it. Some things were true and some things were false, but the snopes article was apologist. Kind of funny.
#51 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Another reason to get rid of corn-based ethanol.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/sci...
#52 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Karl Rove? Who is he, wasn't he fired? Oh, the Fox balanced talking head. Who cares what You believe he does.
Just answer the questions!
#53 Posted by bossman1 on September 2, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"1. Obama graduated from Harvard, a prestige university. He was in the top of his class with many prestigious honors......"
The "Hockey Mom" still has infinitely more experience heading an executive branch of government than the "Chosen One"
#54 Posted by mthalo on September 2, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
boss, still in the dark as usual, eh?
No wonder.
#55 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Re: Oil Profits and Prices
The headlines are all about oil companies are making huge profits and this is true but they do not state the profits as a percentage of investment. The oil companies make huge profits because they have huge investments; Exxon-Mobile earned $1,200 per second last year but paid $4,000 per second in taxes and $15,600 per second in operating expenses. The profits of the company belong to the shareholders, that is, the people who bought shares in the company and expect a return on their investment. If you have a retirement plan or a mutual fund, the chances are that you are one of those owners. The good news is that a profit was earned for the shareholders. The bad news is that the shareholders must pay a tax on the profits they receive. Last year the tax man collected $4,000 per second from Exxon-Mobile and then collected additional taxes from the shareholders on the $1,200 per second profits. The tax collector is making windfall profits but the oil companies are taking the blame for high prices.
Ross Capes
Naples and Los Lunas NM
#56 Posted by rcapes on September 2, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
By "popular" request, see below!
What a country!!!
Millions of people will get a chance to vote for a "COMMUNITY ORGANIZER" with dubious ASSOCIATES/FRIENDS for the past twenty years Ayers...Rev Wrong...Farakon...Rezko...and on and on. Oh I forgot, less than three years in the US Senate and most of that time he has been running for president.
If that describes a person who can "CHANGE" and shake up Washington, pass the kool aide for everyone to drink!
The only way to affect change is to change our procedures. Term limits...line item veto...bills that stand alone with no attachments...immediate accountabilty (there's got to be technology to accomplish this)...abolish both houses when public opinion has no faith in their abilities to continue running the country's business and call for immediate elections...no more "pork" to name a few.
Instead of attacking/expressing all your thoughts to each other and accomplish nothing on a daily basis, write, call, fax, write and e-mail
your elected officals.
GROW UP YA'LL!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH REGARDLESS OF YOUR PARTY AFFILIATION!
WE THE PEOPLE" AFFECT CHANGE AS A "MAJORITY". HELLO...IS ANYONE LISTENING?????
#57 Posted by knital on September 2, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Having kids isn't the tough part it is raising them to be decent people, The wealthy think it is OK to leave them 24/7 with a nanny, cook, and housekeeper I guess. I was married to one of those kids for 7 years, believe me they have issues.
If possible a mother should be at home with her kids while they are growing up, problems arise daily that need attended to by someone who truly cares.
#58 Posted by pippin on September 2, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ATTENTION EVERYONE!
Congress has a 9% approval rating!!???
Bush has a 30% rating!
See Post #74 which offers the common sense solutions for CHANGE!! GOOD STUFF KNITAL!!!!!
#59 Posted by knital on September 2, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Although the McCain campaign said that Mr. McCain had known about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy before he asked her mother to join him on the ticket and that he did not consider it disqualifying, top aides were vague on Monday about how and when he had learned of the pregnancy, and from whom.
While there was no sign that her formal nomination this week was in jeopardy, the questions swirling around Ms. Palin on the first day of the Republican National Convention, already disrupted by Hurricane Gustav, brought anxiety to Republicans who worried that Democrats would use the selection of Ms. Palin to question Mr. McCain’s judgment and his ability to make crucial decisions."
The old guy can't remember how many houses he owns. Why WOULDN'T anyone "question Mr. McCain's judgement and his ability to make crucial decisions."
It is all SOOOO Sad!!!!!!!!
#60 Posted by boulderbilly on September 2, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
BTW, is it Bristol or Brittany?
#61 Posted by boulderbilly on September 2, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The term Neocon is used too freely to describe those to whom the definition does not apply. Let's see if the "smart" ones can start using this term correctly.
Neoconservatism was a political philosophy that emerged in the United States from the rejection of the social liberalism, moral relativism, and New Left counterculture of the 1960s. It influenced the presidential administrations of George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, representing a realignment in American politics, and the transition of some liberals to the right of the political spectrum; hence the term, which refers to being 'new' conservatives.[1][2]
The term neoconservative was originally used as a criticism against liberals who had "moved to the right".[3][4] Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the usage of neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy.[5] According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by "the notion that liberalism" had failed and "no longer knew what it was talking about."[1]
#62 Posted by DinNaples on September 2, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, and the DNC was the picture of unification, hope and promise.
The neocons need to learn how to behave themselves. We know your world has crumbled and the humiliation ya all feel is understandable. I'm glad I'm not on your sinking ship.
But please, throwing crap at the cops? Behave like OBAMIANS will ya?
#63 Posted by boulderbilly on September 2, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Great choice John, no earmarks here...
"Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor, according to an analysis by an independent government watchdog group. There was $500,000 for a youth shelter, $1.9 million for a transportation hub, $900,000 for sewer repairs, and $15 million for a rail project -- all intended to benefit Palin's town, Wasilla, located about 45 miles north of Anchorage.
In introducing Palin as his running mate on Friday, Sen. John McCain cast her as a compatriot in his battle against wasteful federal spending."
HMMM, $27M for a town of 6700. She really walks the walk, huh??
#64 Posted by er0001 on September 2, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Unfortunately for America, people blame Bush for Katrina when the truth is it was Ray Nagin's incompetence.
And then those same people re-elected him.
Let us not forget that the reason the levy breached was that a barge hit it.
As a boater, I must ask, how was a barge not adequately secured in the first place?
So, the barge breaks, hits the levy, floods the 9th Ward whose residents never left and the expect the choppers to fly down in the middle of a storm (it was still pretty active a day later). But it was Bush's fault and they re-elect Nagin.
Same type of people who would vote for Obama.
#65 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Speaking of hoaxes, has Pebblebrain appoligized for or retracted his insane comments of yesterday? I didn't think so!
#66 Posted by DinNaples on September 2, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't forget it was one of those "Black Barges", you know, like those "Black Helicopters" the CIA uses that the local New Orleans government failed to ensure was properly secured.
A vote for Obama is a vote for Nagin.
Shall we go over the Rezko deal again?
#67 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Alaskan Legislature just announced it will release its findings concerning Ms.Palins role in the TROOPERGATE SCANDAL, are ya ready, FIVE days before the presidential election.
Oh my.
The expected grand jury and impeachment proceedings will begin shortly thereafter.
Now we know what a tough time mini me is having raising funds compared to PRESIDENT OBAMA, but please tell me ya guys have put some bail money away for the soccer mom. Having her in the cross bar hotel on election night might not sit well with the voters.
#68 Posted by boulderbilly on September 2, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Prove that a lie. Exactly how much money was it that Barry got Rezko for his slums?
Then let's talk about Soros.
#69 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I wasn't talking about Obama Rejoice. I was talking about the VP pick that will help control wasteful gov't spending even though she earmarked 27M for her town of 6700 people. Don't change the subject.
If you want to talk about Rezco we'll talk about the Keating 5. The difference is that was a real crime (I believe McCain took more money from Keating then anyone else), I don't see where Obama has been charged for anything to do with Rezco. Keep throwing out the red herring guys, maybe no one will notice how full of crap both of you are.
#70 Posted by er0001 on September 2, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Antoin “Tony” Rezko, 52, a long-time friend and fundraiser for Barack Obama, is a Syrian-born property developer, pizzeria entrepreneur and political fixer in Chicago.
The Obamas bought a mock Georgian mansion in Chicago in June 2005, after he was elected to the US Senate. Mr Rezko’s wife, Rita, bought the adjacent garden on the same day from the same seller.
The sellers say that Mr Obama and Mr Rezko toured the property together before the transaction.
At the time, it was already known that Mr Rezko was under criminal investigation.
Mrs Rezko paid the full asking price of $625,000 (£315,000) for the garden. The Obamas paid $1.65 million for the house – $300,000 below asking price. The garden could be accessed only through the Obamas’ property, and Mr Obama’s gardener mowed the lawn.
#71 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It appears as though lil miss anti-corruption got caught with her pants down.
OOOPPPPSSSS.
She thought the rules only applied to the other guys.
LMAO.
The only thing missing so far is freakin' G. Gordon Liddy. And this story is just now gettin' legs.
Let the games begin.
Baby seals.
Anyone wanna bet on the election?
#72 Posted by boulderbilly on September 2, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"A 24-count indictment unveiled Wednesday by U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald charges Mr. Rezko, 51, in an “extensive” fraud scheme in which he allegedly demanded payments from firms wanting work from a huge state pension fund and favorable rulings from a state board that regulates hospital developments.
"Mr. Fitzgerald said the illegal activities constituted “a pay-to-play scheme on steroids.
“It was a feeding frenzy. People were feeding at the trough for millions of dollars,” he said.
"How extensive was this kickback scheme? After Governor Blagojevich was elected, Rezko handed him a 26 page list of people he was recommending for jobs in the new administration.
"Contained in that list were people being recommended by Barack Obama.
"One of those names was the real estate agent who handled the controversial sale of a house to Obama."
Obamamaniacs: Keep trying to deny it, but it won't go away.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/what_you...
#73 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tony Rezko created a real estate development company in 1989 called Rezmar. Their intent was to purchase decrepit housing, renovate it, and turn it into low income rentals for the poor. At the time, there was a city wide effort to rehab older structures instead of building new low income housing. Over the next 9 years, Rezmar purchased 30 buildings and got $43 million in city funds for rehab.
The only problem? They didn't rehab the properties.
#74 Posted by GoneFishin on September 2, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"JUST WHAT DID OBAMA DO IN RETURN FOR REZKO’S SUPPORT?"
"There were small things, such as hiring the son of one of Rezko’s associates as an i