Re #1 Right Oldtimer - "Example is everything". From here on out every 17 year old girl in school will have the "confidence" and "assurance" that motherhood is her irrefutable right to "express" herself like the Palin "family". Now that is "change"!

"How dare you critize the community organizer", yelled the women. "Just because he didn't supervise people, have a budget of billions of dollars, make daily decisions regarding the welfare (all aspects) of a state, directed the national guard in times of emergency, put out political fires daily, see people, listen to complaints/act on them, and on and on".

"How dare you indeed!" was my response!

Let's be honest/fair. There is no comparison. But both are jobs admirable in their own right.

But common sense and reality says:

1st step mayor of a city.
2nd step governor of a state.
3 rd vp or president of the greatest country in the world.

A logical progression, I'm sure you would agree! Each step prepares you for the next! Attaining the 3rd step is based on your judgement and experience derived from the previous two.

If you really want to see/better understand common sense and reality, compare a governor, senator and a community organizer' responsibilities! Make three columns and start writting. The results will speak for themselves.

One of the toughest things for individuals to do is get past their "ego and emotions". and drinking kool aide. Common sense and reality are tough to accept.

In any event, have a great day and a better tomorrow!

No need to manufacture an image in order to connect with Americans. God and life’s experiences took care of that for you. Both gave you the story that most politicians spend millions to make up. My Daddy was a mill worker, my Daddy was a poor factory worker, my Daddy was… What matters is not who or what Daddy was. What matters out here in my small-town America is who you are, what you have done and what and who you represent. That is what scares the snot out of America’s self-appointed aristocracy. They see people wearing jeans and not the designer variety either, with calluses on their hands and dirt beneath their fingernails standing at the gate with a battering ram named Sarah. And they are genuinely afraid of that.

I know this probably puts a lot of pressure on you. Just keep in mind who you are talking for and too and you will be just fine. A hint, it is neither Washington’s shysters nor Hollywood’s socialists.

They are going to do try to destroy you. They would love nothing better than see you quit and will become more viscous towards you and your family as the election nears. They have already and will continue to say things that would bring many to tears. You cannot give them that victory. Stand firm and continue to pound the snot out of them. A steady dose of forceful hip checks into the boards delivered with that Sarah smile and they will self-destruct. Every day that you hold up, they become a little more unhinged. Signs of desperation are already showing. Also, whenever one of these jerks, who like to pretend that they are objective journalists, takes an undeserved swipe at you or your family they are swiping at every American who has ever worked for a living. To their undoing, they have not figured that out yet. They believe that everyone who matters is like them and that the rest are just a collection of uneducated hicks who cannot survive without their intervention.

There is that other group that is angry with you. It is that assortment of females who profess to speak for all women. The ones who decided that having babies and fulfilling the subsequent responsibilities hindered their chances to pursue career opportunities, so they needed abortion on demand to remove barriers to their success. After all, they cannot be punished with babies. They wanted to go to the men’s only club and drink shots and smoke cigars with the boys. Now along comes successful Sarah with children. Amazingly, they discovered their motherly side insisting that it is simply not possible for you to be an important politician and properly care for your children. Although they billed it as such, they were not interested in being successful women. They wanted to be MEN. Your presence illustrates that to the world and that makes them madder’en hell.

Re #4 Oldtimer No, not the kids. I'm attacking the hypocritical, conservative Republican "mother" who talks "abstinence" and has a "menagerie" of legitimate and illegitimate offsprings in various generations of her "clan". Don't "preach" one thing and do the other.

What is a "community organizer"? That would help those people who do not know...such as Obama supporters.

In Saturday's paper there is an article entitled "McCain continues theme: 'It's over' for special interests".

That has to be the laugh of the day. It is special interests that are the main contributers to his candidacy. If the days of the special interests are over, then the days of McCain are over. McCain is proving himself to be a hypocrite. All the big corporations are on the side of McCain. The National Rifle Association supports McCain. The munition makers I'm sure support McCain. McCain is on the side of big business and the corporate structure of America that is ruining our country. McCain's contributers are the richest and most powerful people in America.

When McCain talks about change, I have no idea what he means. I'm sure it won't be for the better. He may try to dismantle any social reforms that have come about in the twentieth century. He may appoint reactionary judges to the supreme court. I don't look forward to his changes for America.

McCain is a military man. He wants to continue the war in Iraq until all the terrorists are dead. That means it will go on for many more years. The war in Iraq will not destroy terrorism, ever. I guess all the casualities in Iraq mean nothing to war mongers. Human life is to be sacrificed on the alter of the gods of war. Bush and McCain are guilty of mass murder in Iraq, and should be impeached.

In the 28 states that register voters, the Demo's have added over two million more the Repub's have lost over 340k. Now if we can only get those votes counted.

Sarah Palin says "I took Alaska's Governor jet and put it on E-bay to sell, we don't need a fancy jet like that.
McCain says "Sarah, my soul mate, sold her jet on e-bay and made a profit for Alaska.
The truth?? Alaska's Gov. jet was sold for $2.1 million lost of $800,000 and not on e-bay but by a jet broker to an Alaskan businessman.
While governor, Palin sought for and recieved more $$$ per person, thru Ted Stevens earmark's than just about any other state.
Obama say's mockingly "You just can't make this stuff up. Do they think Americans are stupid?" Sadly the answer to that is 'YES', Look who our president has been for the last 7 1/2 years and some will vote for the same for four more years.

Rejoice........I have not overlooked your unsolicited scurrilous attack on me in your post #183 yesterday

perhaps when you go to your church today you should ask your minister if this is good speech for a Christian:

Do you think Canuck has ever told a fellow Canadian to F'off....F' you...Go to hell....?

posted by Rejoice #183 9/6/08

as for the following LIE if you were truthful about the post it was from canoe.ca (not a conservative site) and was a story about the Republican congressman from Georgia...... with a reputation of voting against anything of benefit to the blacks.... calling the Obamas "uppity" and then saying he did not know the racial overtones of the word:

"I happen to know he referred to a web-site of a conservative using the word "uppity."
Is there a Canadian equivalent to the word "uppity?" It's probably Canuck's favorite word to describe Canadian conservatives."

posted by Rejoice #183.. 9/6/08

but then I should not be surprised..his action resonates with your posts on this forum and it is not the first time you have been caught in this manner

so if you want to interfere you should make sure your "skirts" are clean because you have made yourself a fool again

THE REFORMER. LMAO.

From the Wall ST. Journal.......

Palin's Hockey Rink Leads
To Legal Trouble in Town She Led
By MICHAEL M. PHILLIPS
September 6, 2008; Page A5

WASILLA, Alaska -- The biggest project that Sarah Palin undertook as mayor of this small town was an indoor sports complex, where locals played hockey, soccer, and basketball, especially during the long, dark Alaskan winters.

The only catch was that the city began building roads and installing utilities for the project before it had unchallenged title to the land. The misstep led to years of litigation and at least $1.3 million in extra costs for a small municipality with a small budget. What was to be Ms. Palin's legacy has turned into a financial mess that continues to plague Wasilla."

One of her children likes hockey so Mommy built him the boondoggle hockey arena. The taxpayers are up in arms.

Looks like more of the mcsame.

Who is the neocon on this website always crying CENSORSHIP?

Is it the old jadedsoldier?

Looks as though little Sarah likes to hit the "suggest removal" button herself.

LOL.

Palin asked Wasilla librarian about censoring books
By Rindi White / Anchorage Daily News
Thursday, September 4, 2008.
WASILLA -- Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.

According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn’t fully support her and had to go.

Emmons had been city librarian for seven years and was well liked. After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job.

RE #8 Oldtimer -You are very "good" at talking out of both sides of your mouth. (Typical Republican)

Planned Parenthood versus "Mother" Palin for advice on the "birds and the bees"? C'mon, now you conservatives have been on that "bandwagon" for years. "Mommy dearest please"

I "love" that bit about Bristol = "bright young "woman"? You say, first she is a child (17) that you defend and now you say she's a woman who "knows what she wants"! Unbelievable!

About Bristol's parents: I expect to see them on an episode of the TV series "Swingtown". There's a CHOICE all-"right"!

Bristol's "lucky" to have parents like Sarah & Todd allright. It's a sorry mess that it is all bad luck!

Re #25 Dixie Yes, terror brought out Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney, "W" and a slew of other misfits and "enemies of society"!

FOX NEWS ran a "fair and balanced' one hour piece last night on Sarah Palin. Hopefully, yawl can get past your "egos and emotions" and learn something about a "women" who in her own right is real, smart, attractive, experienced, confident, educated, a mother of five and appears to have better judgement than the other three candidates put together.

Regardless of you party affiliation, this is a must see to understanding this tremendous human discovery.

Her biggest attribute is that she is from an average background and education. This "average person" has decided to be all she can be and she is succeeding!

What a breath of fresh air!!

Have a great day and a better tomorrow!

Re #31 Knital Very well said! Palin is certainly "average" to say the least. Too bad, for you, and the GOP that the office of the presidency is not AVERAGE!

Remember... we all start out as "average/equal if you will" what happens after that is a different story for each one of us!!

Not one of our former Presidents walked on water. Remember the Peanut Farmer of the 70's. If he could be President, you can to!!

Just "be all you can be"!!!

Conservative's, Please, I need help to understand this: Friday evening the Bush jr administration reported our government is going to take over the Freddie and Fanny Corp's because they are trillions of dollars in debt. Thier CEO'S, executives will be let go and our government will run them. This is not new, we have and will continue to do this with the many banks that are failing NOW also.
So please explain this action. Is it a form of 'socialism' or 'marxism'? Was this Clintons or the Democrat congress's fault?
When was the last time it happened?

Oldtimer......

"The Obama campaign seems to be in disarray after the Palin selection. Then they throw 12,000 American flags in the trash as they leave Denver."

Hate to tell, ya old fart but no one from the convention was left in Denver when Palin spoke. They all left last week.

Nice touch with the flags though. Speaking of which, don't ya think they look real pretty on all the Bush boxes returning from Iraq with dead young kids inside? Why does Bush ban pictures of his accomplishments coming home in a box?

K, We all start out average/equal?
The Bush's and McCain started out like the Clintons and Obama? You are as dumb as 'rock head'.

ALGONQUIN:
TRY AMBIEN.

Eddie, please stay away from Dianetics.

Seriously, I didn't read your whole letter (coffee just kicking in before I remembered to look at the names) and while there are some issues with drugs that are wrong, you ain't no doctor.

MikeM:
You hit the nail right on the head.
Too bad NDN can't ban using Ip addresses.

These blogs have not been enjoyable or intelligent for over a year.

Just sick.

Been talking to a lot of people about Palin.

Women are pretty enthusiastic.

That is an understatement, but it will do.

As far as the democrats are concerned?

Crickets.

Even now, Joe Biden on Meet The Press is completely taken aback. Why? Because he should be the candidate and Obama number 2 (pun unintended, but I like it).

Biden probably feels a little miffed that a young upstart with no credentials, whose political career was started by Chicago crooks and cop killing terrorists, would get the nod.

BTW - You couldn't help but notice how Tom Brokaw, chumming along with Biden, was so liberal biased that he cannot be considered a journalist. He is nearly as bad as Chris Matthews.

Want to start laughing at democrats?

Try to find the alleged affair she had.

This is the dirt they dig up?

Scum!

Let's talk about Barry's Muslim faith.

Re # 43 Oldtimer -- It seems you are displaying signs of Altzeimers syndrome. The bad luck analogy I made went completely over your head, and yes, I definitely think a 17 year old pregnancy is not only bad luck, but a TRAGEDY in this day and age.

I'm proud that my wife and I did a "nice job" as you put it, in providing our daughters with guidance and example. Of course, they weren't/aren/t conservative RApepublican exponents.

RE #47 Perseauck Wow, all that "mumbo jumbo" about "marxism" and McDonalds on jobs etc. Did you do a study in the Pilsen or Englewood neighborhoods of Chicago to come up with all that "documentary evaluation"? It was all very "revealing" about your IQ quotient - "impressive"!

Re #49 Gonefishin - Re: Palin "mania"? You really need to get "around" more than just attending meetings at GOP HQ. - Say hello to Abrahams - Methusaleh.

The feeling outside the Naples "in crowd" may not concur with your "observation".

Actually, elephantmatter, I'm in MA for a couple of weeks.

Frightening, isn't it?

Re # 53 Perseauk - "Windy City Air" - Your "logical" thinking is just amazing "conservative hypocrisy". Your "line" of thinking suggests that killing all accused and presumed murderers outright is some kind of "preventive crime stopping solution". No trial or jury - just your conservative Republican "perceptive judgment" is all that is required by your assertions.

Too bad you weren't around when they wrote the Constitution. We would have all been today "so much more enlightened" (those who survived)

About law school... yeh, I went.

RE # 57 Gonefishin - Enjoy your stay in MA, but do avail yourself to more than Romney haunts. I venture to say that Sarah won't carry MA in November, but then again, you could change it. Lots of good fishing there. Try Gloucester. I like that town. Maybe you could "snoop" around at their high school were some teenagers supposedly made a "deal" to become pregnant. I bet Sarah might be "big" there with her "forked tongue" philosophy advocating abstinence and supporting teen age pregnancies at the same time. Oh, its so "conservative"!

elephantmatter, teen pregnancy is up in MA. So much for any kind of sex education working.

But hey, as Obama says, don't let your daughters be punished with a baby.

RE # 59 Perseauk - Oh! Barrington! I still have very rich relatives living in South Barrington. I admire their achievements helped by a former GOP governor by the way. They are all "laying" a little low currently.

No, I'm not from Cabrini Green, but there have been "big money" interests trying to gain ownership of those parcels for "development". A GOP mayor would help!

Marxism - gulags -- Heck, we still have GITMO today! Evidently, Bush and the GOP learned something from the likes of your background and experiences. Kill or be killed! Is that what Democracy is all about? To you, I guess so.

Sandy Berger? Isn't that a reach? Where and how does that have any bearing or comparison to Iraq WMDs etc., etc.

The worst crime in the last 40 years can be summed up with one letter - "W"!

RE #61 Gonefishin Abstinence in MA doesn't seem to be the "wave of the future" either? Does it? Sarah needs to show up there and answer a few "questions".

Re #62 Petraueck Get a grip! All is not lost. Jeb Bush can run in 2012 and give us more of the "same". Be careful handling your gun and don't expose yourself to road rage or anything like that. There are a lot of people out there with a "cowboy" mentality that might think you are a potential murderer. A jury and trial won't do much good if you wind up in a "box".

Does anyone think MA teaches abstinence only?

#67 Dixie - Really? I just tied in your Dixie Id with a "Hillary Clinton fan" and "jumped" on the beleagured Bush administration. I'm sure you are "non-partisan"!

RE #69 Does anyone think that Sarah Palin taught abstinence in her household only?

"She's not bad-looking. She looks like one of those women in the Van Halen videos who takes off her glasses, shakes out her hair, and then all of a sudden, she's in high heels and a bikini. All of a sudden, I am FOR drilling in Alaska." —Jimmy Kimmel

RE #71 P Sulking is not healthy. Watch FOX Noise. or maybe you can pick up a Rush Limbaugh "recording". That is always "stimulating".

Re #74 Dixie No, I don't know what that makes me, but do you really believe I care?

RE #50 Petraueck -- Hey, I missed that "diatribe' on "manliness". You really have that NRA "red neck" mentality that puts the "fear of GOD into your opponents. I pulled down my storm shutters after reading your defense and "anecdote" to defending the degenerate Henry Hyde. I hope he is burning in hell if there is such a place. But, you can still pray to and for him.

I've never joined a political party. The GOP sure stands out as why no one should ever do that sort of thing. I just "call em as I see em" and the last 8 years have been really "ugly".

Well, we now hear another testimony (#8) to McCain's temper. And this is the guy next to the button if elected. Help!!!

Old Timer, Obama's school was public and he repudiated the inflamatory statements by Rev. Wright. That's old, old news.

Also, I listened to the Stephanopolous clip with Obama. And when Obama said McCain hadn't attacked him on his Muslim religion, that was obviously saying McCain hadn't implied that Barack was Muslim or spread that false rumor.

As far as the picture with Obama when he was with some others, just because he put on some clothes like a Muslim means nothing. He was probably patronizing his step brother.

The facts remain the School the child Obama attended in Indonesia besides the Catholic school was an Indonesian Public School. Now can we move on to something important?

The more we hear about Sarah Palin, she is not the wonderful woman she claims herself to be. I too read about her claim to have sold that plane on e bay for a profit was false. My gosh, that's so easily checked. What's she trying to pull?

Also she has umpteen ear marks all over the place, and Alaska gets the most government handouts per capita than any other state. Now, what does that say about Sarah and also her lie about opposing the bridge to nowhere?

And, if McCain's for change now, maybe he could change his stealing from Obama. McCain's slogan used to be "Experience." When that didn't play, he looked over and saw Obama's "Change" was working, so he just stold it for himself too. You'd think he'd be embarrassed.

However, I've become aware of some of his and Palin's change, and no thanks.

By the way, how long is it going to take to teach Sarah about the world she lives in outside of Alaska. It looks like she's getting programmed, and we're not going to hear her interviewed. Hmmm too dangerous for their campaign. So, we're supposed to use her canned speech during the convention as a reason to vote for her as V.P. We already know that McCain's a war lover, and I suppose she'll be the same.

And the two of them can't take women's right to choose away soon enough to suit them. They're chomping at the bits to put women in their place again. You know, mostly barefoot and pregnant. That is, unless women dump you right wingers and don't go near you with a ten foot pole. I know I can't think why any self respecting woman would go near someone who thinks she has no right to make reproductive decisions for herself. Next it will be contraception. I know those religious right wing nuts when they get on a roll.

News Flash.......

The FIRST DUDE and the Miss Seal Meat just received their first passports.

"We's gonna broaden my international experience next week. We takin Brittany, our child bride, to Disney World. None of our clan's ever been to the southern equator before. It's hot there, ya know?"

What’s the difference between Sarah Palin and a Pig?

You can’t put lipstick on a pig!

Hey Rejoice. How's Cape Cod? Have you "gone fishin" yet?

She's old enough. She's a U.S. citizen." ---Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State, when asked about Palin's qualifications for vice president.

Gallop tracking poll I saw today had Obama 47% and MCcain 45%. The more people find out about Palin and think about McCain's stances matching Bush's 90% of the time, they know nothing is going to change from Bush.

I kind of disagree. I mean, I think it could be worse. I know that takes imagination, but just think about it.

Also, why are the Right Wingers so upset with Clinton for not going after bin Laden? Bush hasn't done anything for years. I think he forgot.

Did anyone read the commentary by Bob Dorta today? Now his solution, in all sincerity I'm sure, is about the worst thing I've heard.

It's like so out of touch, one wonders where he's been. Think about it. We annex Iraq or make it a territory of ours?

Can you imagine how big that would go over with the Iraqis, not to mention the rest of the world? And can you even wonder where, oh where, we'd get the soldiers to fight the over twenty million unified Iraqi's against an outsider? How about the trillions of dollars that would take? We're broke, remember?

Also, the UN and member nations like China could call in their loans. And even if we didn't pay them, our source of revenue of borrowing would dry up in a minute, never to be seen again. In other words with more money needed for the military we would have less money, and be short at least 500 billion to run the economy.

No, we just have to leave. There's no fix. Old Humpty Dumpty can't be put back together again. And I don't want us to die trying. It's their baby now.

I'm not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she's a woman and a conservative." –Sarah Palin's mother-in-law, Faye Palin, who said she may vote for Obama.

Sarah Palin's mother-in-law uncertain about how she'll vote
BY NANCY DILLON
DAILY NEWS WEST COAST BUREAU CHIEF

Updated Sunday, August 31st 2008, 2:27 AM

Sato/AP

Faye Palin, Gov. Palin's mother-in-law
WASILLA, Alaska - Sarah Palin's hometown rallied around her as mayor - now Republicans wonder if the rest of America will warm up to the surprise pick from cold country.

Though her mother-in-law has doubts.

Faye Palin admitted she enjoys hearing Barack Obama speak, and still hasn't decided which way she'll vote.

Im sorry the answer to that is above my pay grade... and you think this tool is the answer ??? oh wait it must be the extended meeting he will have with Bill Clinton that will give him the knowledge he needs...Dems should be on an oil rig in the middle of a hurricane.. ALL OF THEM