Letters to the Editor: March 21, 2011

Letter of the Day: Tech talk

Editor, Daily News:

Re: Bob Singer’s March 8 rant regarding smartphone users.

I am a 65-year-old technophile (yes, I love electronic gadgets). I recently bought my first smart phone and became what you call one of “these people.” I can use it as a phone, send/receive text messages and e-mail, use the calendar and maintain my contacts.

I have never “thumbed through endless amounts of stuff” at a red light, avoided eye contact and stared at my phone while having a conversation with someone, or texted while driving. All of those things are just as stupid, inconsiderate and dangerous as reading a newspaper or putting on makeup while driving at 70 mph on a highway, cutting across three lanes of traffic to make a turn, arguing with a passenger while driving or interrupting someone during a conversation because you have something to say that is more important than what they are saying.

Technology advances.

In my very first job as an audit clerk I remember using a calculator that was larger than a typewriter (yes, I also remember typewriters), made a racket that makes Interstate 75 sound like a quiet country lane and took forever to come up with the result of a division.

Horses gave way to automobiles; iceboxes gave way to refrigerators. There are numerous technological advances that have made our lives more convenient.

Let’s not blame technology. Let’s put the blame where it belongs — on people who don’t consider the consequences of their actions.

— Marv Weisberg

Naples

Julie, Jody and Steve: What a team

Editor, Daily News:

This letter is about kindness and compassion.

On March 6, my husband Bob and I were in Naples with dear friends to enjoy an evening of dining and theater. After the drive from Longboat Key, we had precious little time before our dinner reservation. The women wisely chose to quickly peruse the downtown shopping district. But in the haste of the moment, I left my cell phone at Julie’s of Naples.

We hurried to the restaurant, where we enjoyed awesome dining. After dinner, I noticed my phone was missing. A quick trip across the street and down the block shattered my belief that my phone would be safely in my hands in a moment. The shop closed early on Sunday!

I stopped next door at Florida Olive Oil Co. to ask if anyone knew how to contact Julie. I was met by a warm-hearted and sympathetic woman named Jody. Although she was unable to help with a phone number, Jody suggested that she send my phone the next day.

The next day I called Julie — and yes, the phone was there. I immediately called Florida Olive Oil Co. to learn that the phone had already been delivered to Steve (the on-duty manager). That was the beginning of a good ending!

Jody mailed the cell phone. I received it before we left for North Dakota on Thursday.

I am most appreciative and grateful. None of the people who successfully coordinated the return of my phone know me, but I shall not forget their acts of kindness.

As Aesop said so long ago: “No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted.”

Thank you, Jody, Julie, and Steve. How well you represent the merchants of Naples! By the way, you live in a beautiful city and the theater experience exceeded our expectations. We will most certainly visit Naples again.

— Marlene Scott

Carrington, N.D.

Want flies with that?

Editor, Daily News:

Suggestion for some health-conscious restaurant:

A no-fry zone.

— Fred Tobias

Naples

Be more reasonable

Editor, Daily News:

In the year 2011, one might have thought the enlightenment had reached much of the American public as it has much of Western Europe.

If one regards the actions of the House of Representatives and other groups in the United States, the enlightenment seems to have passed them by.

Call for states rights and individual freedom, but push for intertwining religion and politics. Push for controlling the freedom of women based on man-made religious dogma and religiously defined conceptions of “morality.”

Fight against common-sense birth control, but support those who favor cutting aid to dependent children and unemployment benefits, thus affecting millions of minors.

Try at all costs to insert arcane dogma into the lives and futures of others.

Exploit falsehoods, such as James Finnegan in a Feb. 19 letter to the editor, attempting to tar Planned Parenthood on the basis of misguided action by one employee in New Jersey. The incident was immediately reported to the authorities and the individual immediately dismissed.

Federal funds go toward family planning and a great deal of health care for the needy.

News flash: Birth control, family planning and sex education are the main pathways for reducing sexually transmitted diseases, unwanted pregnancy and abortion! Those organized groups and others, attempting to inhibit that common-sense approach, actually increase the number of women seeking the termination of pregnancy, which they do of their own volition!

It is incumbent upon all caring, thinking citizens to stand up and be counted and to resist the incursions on individual rights and freedom by those elements incapable of objective reasoning and encumbered by antiquated doctrines, which they attempt to foist on the population at large.

— Richard J. Gillis, M.D.

Naples

Both sides now

Editor, Daily News:

Public employees (teachers, police officers, fire fighters, etc.) are protesting the governor of Wisconsin’s effort to curb collective bargaining for those employed by the state, cities and towns.

As one who has been on both sides of the collective-bargaining table, the issue is as simple as the difference between apples and oranges.

Labor unions in the private sector of the economy, blue-collar workers in particular, fought unfair labor practices, promoted child-labor laws and provided grievance procedures to protect the rights of the workers. The worker in the private sector may share in the profits (if any) produced by their skills and their labor.

On the other hand, government is not a “for-profit” operation. Why then have the politicians imposed collective bargaining on the taxpayers? Government employees (states, cities and towns) provide a public service in a nonprofit operation.

Unfortunately, unless our political leaders recognize that union contracts for public employees will bankrupt the cities and towns, we can expect higher taxes and the confiscation of the property of those who can no longer afford the steep price of government.

— James Kelley

Marco Island

Some nerve

Editor, Daily News:

On a recent “60 Minutes,” Katie Couric was asking a teacher in an experimental education program to justify his $125,000 salary for an 80-hour week. This works out to $32 per hour.

I wonder how she justifies her $12 million salary.

On another matter, I wonder how in inaccessible places like Japan today, with no source for food and water, every network reporter is on the scene with their hundreds of support staff?

— Tom Ryan

Naples

All of us in that boat

Editor, Daily News:

The term racist is being bandied around by the media these days.

A racist is one who prefers his own kind or one who believes his kind is a little better than somebody else.

So, would not all of us fit into one category or the other?

— W.T Galliford

Naples

A call to action

Editor, Daily News:

I have been following your paper’s coverage of the 16-year-old Palmetto Ridge High School student who was killed by another student because he was being bullied.

I would like to know if the Collier County school system has instituted an anti-bullying policy. Evidently, the administration and teachers, as well as the school bus driver, were not able to protect a 14-year-old from being tortured while under their care.

The parents and students are “held accountable” when it comes to school attendance, but where is the accountability of those in charge when it comes to keeping the children safe when they are in attendance? A pattern of bullying is never isolated.

Obviously, this was missed on all levels at the school. Perhaps two lives would not be destroyed if the administration did its job.

I hope an anti-bullying campaign will be in place in all our schools before another horrific act takes place.

— Elaine McGlynn

Naples

Sad priorities

Editor, Daily News:

On March 10, letter-writer Robbins Winslow frantically decried the “demonic, un-American” practice of pro-life protesters who march weekly before the Naples Planned Parenthood clinic. This opinion begs two questions: one, who is really being inspired by “demons,” and two, what is so pro-American about advocating the killing of unborn children?

Other letter writers, like Sandi Badash, have proudly pointed out that only 3 percent of annual services provided by Planned Parenthood to pregnant women are for abortions. Based on the 40 million children aborted since Roe v. Wade, that’s about 75,000 children annually.

That’s an insignificant total, they imply, which any right-thinking citizen can comfortably ignore, while callously overlooking the incalculable family, economic, scientific and artistic loss to a battered, struggling America.

Finally, this self-righteous scripter of sanctimony smugly marshals his “ultimate” weapon: the 400 percent savings (each $1 saves $4) in social service costs provided by Planned Parenthood counseling. I can only grieve deeply for the spiritual welfare of the human race when divinely inspired moral law can be priced out like a line item in a corporate budget proposal.

— Bill Bond

Bonita Springs

What we can do

Editor, Daily News:

Do you remember former President John F. Kennedy’s inauguration speech?

He said: “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do you for country?”

On Tuesday I attended a program presented by the Massachusetts General Hospital which included a presentation about the Home Base Program that is a partnership between the Boston Red Sox Foundation and Massachusetts General Hospital.

The Home Base Program provides help to military veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan who suffer through struggles of depression or a stress disorder, and who have to live with deployment or combat-related stress and/or traumatic brain injury.

I do not represent the Home Base Program; I simply want to share with everyone what I now know to be one of the responses to Kennedy’s request that we ask what we can do for our country: Make a contribution to the Home Base Program in whatever amount you feel is appropriate to help get assistance for those veterans coming home to their “home base.”

If you want more information about this worthy program, you can find it at www.homebaseprogram.org.

— Gary L. Loser

Naples

Will this lick the problem?

Editor, Daily News:

A letter to the editor blames the president for the rising gas prices.

One of the reasons stated was that the president does not want to engage in drilling for oil.

One has to wonder why gas prices are just as high now as in July 2008 when former President George W. Bush was in power? Was this President Barack Obama’s fault too?

Any oil that is gained from drilling goes into the marketplace, a marketplace controlled by the massive oil companies which continue to make profits in record numbers. The prices are set by speculation and greed.

The political leaders in both parties in this country continue to lick the boots of the oil corporations and refuse to make a serious effort to develop alternative methods.

Follow the money trail and the donations to our political leaders made by these corporations.

— Larry Rosenberg

Estero

Grand old party indeed

Editor, Daily News:

Floridians wanted a politician who would send a message — specifically, this: “I just gave $1.6 billion in tax cuts to corporations while cutting public education by $1.7 billion.”

Introducing Gov. Rick Scott, a seven-year, part-time Naples resident who now occupies two houses on opposite ends of the state of Florida.

Florida Republicans, consider this a chance to combine your two great loves — a leader demagoguing the teachers who make up the American public education system and watching your friends get wealthier by not paying taxes.

After this legislative session, which will have pillaged all public services, your tax cuts will arrive at your doorstep wrapped in an envelope and paid for by — get this — revenue collected from the state.

Your job: start invigorating the economy stemming from your fresh tax cuts that are being paid for on the backs of the public education system — or, if you’re feeling creative, commission an abstract statue depicting man’s alienation in the modern world. I am sure Scott will appreciate either decision.

And while someone ships the video of Florida’s “king’s speech” off to the Smithsonian, you’ll grab a couple of cocktails and head out on to the dance floor, where a no-holds-barred, no-cultural-mores-recognized party will blast off and keep going until around midnight, drinking those tax cuts away (cue Koch brothers’ entrance).

And should you feel this is just the beginning of your new journey, you can hop on the next cruise setting sail for the Bahamas.

By the way, where are those 700,000 new jobs?

— Matt Coppens

Naples

Kick him off our team

Editor, Daily News:

Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

President Barack Obama plays golf and makes his NCAA basketball picks for ESPN, while our country is in economic chaos, the Middle East is in turmoil and the government is spending us into bankruptcy.

Do we need a president who can lead us and focus on what’s best for America?

On Election Day in November 2012, the country will get him to focus and lead him into retirement.

Can we survive until then?

— Diane Miranda

Naples

For the love of learning

Editor, Daily News:

In response to Wednesday’s letter from Donavin A. Baumgartner Jr., I do not personally know what teachers are paid in Wisconsin.

I would venture to guess, however, based on my experience and knowledge of teachers’ salaries in Connecticut and Florida, that for the years of college put in, both undergraduate and postgraduate, they are paid substantially less than equally educated professionals in the private sector.

Part of the inducement for teachers to go into their fields, to make these careers livable, is that they receive health-care and retirement benefits. Even these inducements, however, wouldn’t be enough if they weren’t driven by a desire to educate and benefit the children of this nation. No other profession today has the duty and privilege of educating our young people to prepare them for productive lives as adults.

Teachers years ago received much more respect in their communities, more parent cooperation and had much less diversity in their classrooms with which to contend.

I would suggest that Baumgartner spend a day in a classroom and personally observe the tremendous work teachers do; but I don’t think this would be fair to either the teachers or children, being exposed to such myopic and prejudiced views.

— Peter Weissman

Naples

Madness?

Editor, Daily News:

As Libya threatened to boil over in the streets of Benghazi, President Barack Obama junketed over to the first tee for some R&R between international crises.

ESPN got a big promo for March Madness week with an exclusive TV op of the chief executive filling out the presidential bracket for the 64-team NCAA basketball extravaganza.

This exercise in sportsmanship was so time consuming that he had to “finesse” receipt of an award for transparency in government in order to appear at the head table of a fundraiser.

All these items on the presidential schedule seem to have precedence over the exercise of badly needed statesmanship regarding the ongoing atomic cataclysm in Japan and the political crumbling of the Mediterranean basin.

Mr. President, your resolute reluctance to support words with action reduces the U.S. to a shadow of its former international reputation.

As the fabled emperor, the president has no transparency!

— Walter Tharr

Naples

Power run amok

Editor, Daily News:

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker demanded state employees contribute to their health-care and pension costs, and they agreed.

End of discussion, right?

Nope. Unmentioned in the campaign, the governor’s secret goal was to destroy collective bargaining, as his conversation with the faux David Koch proved.

Walker got $150 million from unions’ concessions while handing out $117 million in tax cuts to corporations over two years because, as Walker said, “everyone must sacrifice.”

Walker repeatedly claimed he was doing this for the taxpayers. He apparently didn’t include the 57 percent of Wisconsin’s taxpayers who oppose Walker’s union busting (Rasmussen poll).

Walker threatened arrest of absentee legislators, violated a court order by shutting out protesters from the Capitol and interfered in union business by decreeing that union workers could benefit from unions without paying dues — a longtime desire of union busters.

The state employee website, Solidarity Wisconsin, was shut down by Walker’s tea party big government for a day and a half.

We knew that Hosni Mubarak moved out of Cairo, but we didn’t know he moved to Madison.

“We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers’ salaries and take away their right to strike.” (Adolf Hitler, May 2, 1933)

— Bill Linehan

Naples

Missing something good

Editor, Daily News:

Opera Naples (ON) goes green!

It was a delight at the St. Patrick’s Day parade flag-raising ceremony to hear a group from ON’s Young Artists Program sing the Irish national anthem in the language of the Emerald Isle — Irish!

Community outreach is a goal of ON. Its latest outreach is surely appreciated by anyone of nearly 50 million Irish-Americans within earshot that morning.

Opera Naples continually reaches out to the community, and the community reaches back, as evidenced by sold-out performances of “Lucia di Lammermuir” and “Carmen,” with the glaring exception of the Daily News, which has dissed ON over the years.

Excellent productions (most recently “Carmen”) are not reviewed. Upcoming programs are often omitted from the Daily News’ upcoming activities listings.

Could there be an agenda here? Hopefully not in our community newspaper, given the enormous community involvement in a production like “Carmen.” Over 90 singers — almost all local volunteers, from ages pre-teen to 70s — dedicated time and effort to learning, memorizing (in French), rehearsing and performing. They were assisted by an army of volunteers working on sets, costumes, makeup, ushering and box office and more.

As ON heads into its seventh season, I hope the Daily News will wake up to appreciate this wonderful local asset that survives and prospers despite the odds and in reviewing future productions, in addition to the imported talent, will hopefully spare some recognition for local performers from ON’s Professional Young Artists Program, like Annie Leonardi who excelled as Micaela in “Carmen.”

— Ena Langan-Gleeson

North Naples

No bias?

Editor, Daily News:

Back when George W. Bush was president of our country, we would see in the liberal media lists of our servicemen killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

As they arrived in the United States, we would be shown their caskets and the military Honor Guard.

But now that Barack Obama is our president, our liberal media seems to be hiding from showing the deaths that, of course, still happen in those countries.

How come?

Well, for one thing, it would hurt Obama’s image — and some still think there is no bias in our media? — when the facts are that during the month of January alone, 16 Army servicemen have been killed in Afghanistan, and six more have been killed in Iraq (Army magazine).

Not only that, but since October the Darkhorse 3rd Battalion, 5th Marines lost 23 of its members.

Still, we do not hear any news about that.

How come?

— Humbert Gressani

Naples

Something has to give

Editor, Daily News:

Naples has outgrown its airport.

The municipal facility no longer serves all the people in the community. The runways are now mainly the preserve of the rich who spend millions of dollars for noise-polluting jets. The rich should support building a new airport that doesn’t threaten the populated city.

Incredibly loud jet-noise pollution can be heard in places that define Naples: in front of City Hall, at Tin City, on the beach near Lowdermilk Park, while shopping on Fifth Avenue.

Don’t let jet-noise pollution define the future of Naples.

Save the city for the people.

Move the airport.

— B.D. Douglas

Naples

What mattered most

Editor, Daily News:

I don’t know if the Naples City Council meeting set any records, but at 14.5 hours it was a long one.

In all the airport hoopla, I don’t want to lose the most significant part of the day: the comments made by our police union representative regarding the low morale and the lack of appreciation felt by our officers.

I write to thank our officers for what they do.

In my hierarchy of governance, public safety comes first, before fiscal responsibility and quality of life. Our city faces a huge deficit next year, and the council has some hard choices to make. I think I speak for council when I say we will not waiver in our commitment to public safety.

For me, that includes working with the police to find budget solutions that ensure they are paid a competitive wage. When our police chief talks about the city’s low crime rate, I attribute that to the people in harm’s way every day. I think about how lucky I am to live in a place where the police care about the people they are sworn to protect. Their commitment allows me to leave my family each morning knowing my kids will be safe from harm.

I have never lived in a place where I know the cop who patrols my street, much less feel comfortable talking to him about problems that I see. In this regard, Naples is truly special.

Thank you to all of you who serve.

— Sam Saad III

Member, Naples City Council

Come clean, Daily News

Editor, Daily News:

Someday in the future will the Daily News explain to us readers why you endorsed Barack Hussein Obama for president.

I haven’t had a good, long belly laugh in some time. This empty suit fooled so many for so long while campaigning for office that I still can’t believe he pulled one over on the Daily News.

Obama’s actions, since he was sworn into office, reveal what a first-class untruthful character this man is. We can’t list all the untruths as we are limited to 250 words.

His leadership looks more like that of a clown, with his big shoes on backwards, trying to fill out basketball brackets and voting “present” — all at the same time.

Someday?

— Frank Englund

Naples

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Patriot1 writes:

A Great time to be outdoors, improving the garden, painting, fixing up, mowing, edging, weeding, planting. Get away from these keyboards and get a life.

If you don't like gardening, go fish.

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

BE MORE REASONABLE:

Great letter, Doctor; but Reason is wasted on minds in which the cement of dogma was poured during childhood; and has now hardened to the point of inoperability.

keekee writes:

Tom Ryan

Two very interesting questions.

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

BOTH SIDES NOW: JAMES KELLEY

James: Tell it to the girl at the Motor Vehicle Office, or the gal who processes you driver's license and registration; or the gals who keep your property tax records straight.

-And when you cut their salaries and benefits; and you can no longer get qualified and dedicated public servants; you will come to realize how good you had it; before you cannibalized the system to save yourself a few bucks.

hunkajunk writes:

Diane Miranda and Walter Tharr: Glad you got the TP memo that you should write about the president spending all his time on the basketball brackets. Rush and Glen and Fearless Leader Nsticks are proud of you.

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

SAD PRIORITIES: BILL BOND.

"divinely inspired moral law"
-as per Bond's quote.

Here is an example of god's moral law from the Bible:

Consider when the God-of-life caused the GREAT FLOOD. He not only drowned the evil people, but he killed the children, the toddlers, and all the innocent babies within their mother’s womb. They must have been there, you know. There is no mention of room on the arc for pregnant mothers and innocent babies.

Ever wonder what happened to the INNOCENT unborn and the INNOCENT little toddlers playing in the streets of Sodom and Gomorrah? They must have been there too.

Where did the 'evil ones' come from if there were no INNOCENT unborn to begin with?
God burned them alive, along with everyone else. That’s what happened.

Evidence, right from the Bible; that the phrase "Sanctity of Life"; is rubbish; as well as Bill Bond's claim of "divine moral law".

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

SAD PRIORITIES: BILL BOND.

Now lets take a look at what Pro-life really means according to Jesus Christ.

One of the writings that Pope John Paul II based his “Humane Vitae” on was the “Epistle of Barnabas” which not only condemned abortion but ALSO says:

"that the faithful must bring the homeless into thy house" (#3), "not possess private property, and give to everyone who asks" (#19).
(Lightfoot translation)

These teachings are also reflected in Matthew: 19-21, Luke: 14-13.

When is the last time you saw BILL BOND bringing the vagrants and homeless back to his home for family dinner? -and I don't mean just volunteering at a Soup Kitchen now and then.

So you see; there is much more to pro-life then simply being anti-abortion, however; you won't hear THIS from the clergy; for they know that their church would empty and their flock would dwindle down to a few.

Now we know the meaning of? "many are called, but few are chosen"

"woe to you hypocrites": Jesus Christ

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

SAD PRIORITIES: BILL BOND:

Let's take another look at BILL BOND'S implied phrase; "sanctity of life".

GOD performs millions of abortions each day through MISCARRIAGE; most of them occurring in the first week without the knowledge of the mother.

Since man is not involved in miscarriage, and if conception is considered an act of god, then the killing of the innocent through miscarriage must ALSO be an ACT OF GOD thereby ruling out the validity of the phrase “Sanctity of Life”.

For if life was sacred to god, then god would not cause, or at the very least PERMIT miscarriage to occur.

Yet it DOES occur; rendering each day millions of souls to the unmarked grave of oblivion; if indeed a glob of cells even has a soul; or if any of us has a soul; or if god even exists at all.

I will destroy any argument proposed against abortion from a religious perspective.

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

SAD PRIORITIES; BILL BOND;

The Faithful have to “hunt and peck all over the Bible to find statements which allude to pro life. However, anti-abortion was not on god’s list of priorities.

Take at look at the Commandment: “Thou Shalt Not Kill”

Out of the 613 Commandments of God and Moses, NOT ONE addressed the status of the unborn. Very odd since they managed to address almost everything else.

God knew that abortion was going on, and knew about the coming Roe v Wade; yet God never mentioned the word abortion.

Practically every one of god’s concerns in Biblical Times was ‘Factored Out” down to its Specifics; including rape and marriage; except for one: “Thou Shalt Not Kill”

God never showed his Love for the innocent by Factoring Out “thou shalt not kill to; provide protection for the unborn; yet God and the prophets DID see fit to mention Capital Punishment and Military Activity; yet NOTHING for the unborn.

Claiming that anti-abortion is part of some "divinly inspired law' -is pure rubbish.

PAREIDOLIA (Inactive) writes:

CLAIMING THAT ABORTION VIOLATES SOME DIVINE LAW:

If God was concerned with the unborn, then God would have inspired a specific anti-abortion commandment to Moses. God did NOT inspire a specific anti-abortion commandment to Moses, therefore, god was NOT concerned with the unborn.

Any attempt to interpret the Old Testament in support of pro-life puts words into God’s mouth and leaves the Bible open to multiple interpretations.

Out-of-context passages are easily cancelled out by contradictory examples rendering the net value of the O.T. in support of pro-life to zero.

Clearly and surprisingly; God did not think enough of the status of the unborn to specifically clarify its intrinsic human value; as in factoring out the Commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill to a Commandment specific to Abortion

Therefore, in viewing the Old Testament as a whole, any argument attempting to justify anti-abortion from the prospective of the sanctity-of-life, -is invalid

bananas8187 writes:

in response to Fuck_you_yasadpieceofsocialistshit:

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OK, Mr. Theist -

If there is a god like the one you believe in, EXPLAIN THE HOLOCAUST.

No blathering, no pontificating, no SUCH this and SUCH that. None of your "natural principles", and no immutables either.
Specifically answer the question, please.

Explain how your god allowed it to happen.

Go.

heLena_handbasket writes:

in response to rayfromnewhampshire:

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A friend of ours calls us often late at night. We have extensive conversations, but he remembers nothing about it the next day. He takes Ambien. Apparently this is a not-uncommon experience. I've seen storylines about it on tv shows. I think that former Kennedy congressman blamed Ambien for his "dui" in DC. It's scary stuff, especially if the user of a prescribed med has no idea it's happening.

starvingartist writes:

in response to torah101:

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Just a point of clarification.

Wasn't Moses the man that abandoned his wife (Zipporah and sons) because the Levites and his brother Aaron did not like her dark skin? Was their another reason he sent her away Exodus 18:3? Most men wanted their sons to follow them. Moses did not seem to have that desire. He produced the Law yes, but for all intents and purposes it was the Law for men. The Torah seemed somewhat vague about the role of women other then for child birth.The concept of treating women as equals to men or for that matter their worth did not occur until much later.

nstinks writes:

in response to hunkajunk:

Diane Miranda and Walter Tharr: Glad you got the TP memo that you should write about the president spending all his time on the basketball brackets. Rush and Glen and Fearless Leader Nsticks are proud of you.

You and MassDem still haven't answered the important questions Junk.

Why is it in the best interests of the United States to promote and facilitate a regime change in Libya?

Why did you not support the regime change in Iraq?

Are you a hyocrite?

Or.....is it because you hated Bush so much?

Now, there are more unanswered questions.

Many hard-core liberals like you are questioning the Constitutionality of the U.S. missile strikes against Libya.

How about it Junk.....MassDem?

Was the missile barrage in Libya Constitutional?

And, liberals are fuming that Congress hadn’t been formally consulted before the attack and expressed concern that it would lead to a third U.S. war in the Muslim world.

Any concerns there Junk and MassDem?

Democrats are even saying Obama has committed an impeachable offense.

What say you Junk and MassDem?

“They consulted the Arab League. They consulted the United Nations. They did not consult the United States Congress,” one Democrat lawmaker said of the White House. “They’re creating wreckage, and they can’t obviate that by saying there are no boots on the ground. … There aren’t boots on the ground; there are Tomahawks in the air.”

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/...

heLena_handbasket writes:

So it's 9:30 on a Sunday night. Here I sit in paradise...

Watching a debate between a guy named nstinks and one called hunkajunk.

How the heck do you handicap this one? I think mom warned us of this.

heLena_handbasket writes:

(and no actual nstinks' or hunksajunk were harmed in the production of my previous post. Any resemblance to actual nstinks or hunksajunk is purely coincidental.)

heLena_handbasket writes:

in response to rayfromnewhampshire:

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You're not alone. I don't think people are told enough about these drugs. Somnambulation is of course the biggest risk (like that Kennedy).

anicou writes:

in response to heLena_handbasket:

So it's 9:30 on a Sunday night. Here I sit in paradise...

Watching a debate between a guy named nstinks and one called hunkajunk.

How the heck do you handicap this one? I think mom warned us of this.

It could be worst Helena...
Think about having Khadafi as a leader
Just enjoy your paradise... it is not so bad really.

keekee writes:

in response to rayfromnewhampshire:

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It’s a terrible thing, not being able to fall asleep at the required time. It does not affect me most of the time, but those nights that sleep won’t come, I wish there was something to take.

Unfortunately, I can’t even take over the counter sleep aids, they make me groggy and s----- the next day so I know that Ambien or Lunestra or any of the other remedies would have me out of commission for days.

I see no weakness in this, mass. Don’t be hard on yourself. And as far as other posters criticizing, well that happens with or without a “weakness” to jump on and exploit. That is their weakness, not yours.

heLena_handbasket writes:

in response to anicou:

It could be worst Helena...
Think about having Khadafi as a leader
Just enjoy your paradise... it is not so bad really.

Thanks, anicou. I was just laughing to myself watching this event which, by the names involved, sounded more like a worldwide wrestling match

mng (Inactive) writes:

Diane- I sure hope we can survive one more day of the worst President in history.
Oh, and yuu forgot to mention that trip to Rio he's on right now. He has FUBAR'ed us.

bananas8187 writes:

in response to Fuck_you_yasadpieceofsocialistshit:

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My question to you had nothing to do with Glenn Beck. It had to do with your god and the holocaust. Why did you deflect?

That you refuse to answer my question, as evidenced by your redirection to irrelevant prior discussions about a phoney preacher, indicates that you are STUMPED.

OK gasbag, I concede about Beck. Now ANSWER MY QUESTION, Mr. Theist. No more deflections. No more sidestepping.
It's time to move to the current point.

How and/or why did your benevolent god, creator of all sound principles, allow the holocaust?

The clock is now on you, oh wise sage.

Answer, or CONCEDE.

heLena_handbasket writes:

in response to Fuck_you_yasadpieceofsocialistshit:

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It just seems criminal - and by that I mean no, not criminal - that these diagnoses can be made by us lay people based on anecdotal evidence, yet the takers-that-be (and their families) are not informed by the ACTUAL doctors. Is this rocket science?

Glad all turned out OK. Thanks for sharing.

dano5100 writes:

Doc Gillis - One would think that someone from the medical profession would have given this more thought. Availability of contraceptives encourages promiscuity, promiscuity causes the spread of STDs, promiscuity causes unplanned pregnancies. Why not face up to the truth?

anicou writes:

ABC, Mass...
You are a great example to night for peace and understanding.
Great posts from both of you.

heLena_handbasket writes:

in response to Fuck_you_yasadpieceofsocialistshit:

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With all due respect, you misuse "it's" quite often, and AARRRGGH is right.

When you said this:

"Are we truly going to equate natural failures in biological systems, with the intent of an otherwise sound intellect, to strip a viable, wholly innocent life of it's means to exercise it’s unalienable right to it’s life?"

....you incorrectly inserted an apostrophe, three times.

It's no biggie, but don't bet the farm on your position.

Here:

http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/...

mng (Inactive) writes:

Jobs mission?! What about jobs in the good ol' U.S.A - You, are misguided, as usual. Stop listening to CNN.

dano5100 writes:

And by the way Gillis, you're not telling the whole story about Planned Parenthood. You should know that it was not just one errant employee. LiveAction.org taped Planned Parenthood at multiple locations with similar results. http://www.liveaction.org

heLena_handbasket writes:

in response to Fuck_you_yasadpieceofsocialistshit:

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if it's not too difficult, you may want to click on its link.

heLena_handbasket writes:

in response to Fuck_you_yasadpieceofsocialistshit:

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G'night, ABC. Rest well.

bananas8187 writes:

in response to Fuck_you_yasadpieceofsocialistshit:

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ABC -

I'm glad that your mom came out of that scare in good shape. May she live long and bring you happiness for many years.

BigOrangeKitty writes:

It appears that letter writer W.T Galliford
is attempting to rewrite the dictionary...

BigOrangeKitty writes:

in response to TheHighlander:

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Balloons, confetti, and a bottle of Irn-Bru for TheHighlander!

heLena_handbasket writes:

Well played, lass. Well played.

titanbite writes:

in response to Fuck_you_yasadpieceofsocialistshit:

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What are YOU talking about,the entire concept of organized religion is totally,"made up",religion is nothing more than fantasy,imaginary conjurations of ancient,ignorant people too afraid to delve into the details of the world around them.

Yes,one can make this religious stuff up,there's even a U.S. Senator from Kentucky who,"made this stuff up",Sen.Rand Paul(R-KY),made up his own religion,he called his deity,"Aqua-Buddha",although,Buddha may have very well been an excellent swimmer,with all of his fat,he certainly could float rather well,no doubt,whether or not Buddha had any association with water is yet to be determined.

Sen.Paul had no problem imagining that his version of Buddha was just as good as any other,he probably considered his rendition of Buddha as being superior to the original in many ways,why wouldn't he,since,he himself made the stuff up!

LOL!

I find it quite entertaining that you would ask others to list details denying the existence of invisible omnipotent entities,when in fact,you yourself are finding it impossible to provide one shred of evidence proving the existence of imaginary god's and goddesses.

Thanks for playing,useless concession refused.

Fulano writes:

Humbert Gressani asks "How come?" he doesn't hear about American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan in the liberal media as he did back in the George W. Bush era. The answer seems to be that he has no exposure to the "liberal media". One wonders what he considers to be the "liberal media", but here are some examples that show that he must be deliberately ignoring it. First, National Public Television during the McNeil Lehrer Report (7-8 p.m. Monday - Friday) waits until around 10 deaths have been recorded then during a moment of respectful silence shows the pictures of the fallen along with names, ranks, and country where killed. The New York Times does frequent articles particularly on units afflicted with unusually large numbers of casualties. The Naples Daily News, through its AP service, reports numbers of deaths regularly. So once again, Humbert, the reason you don't hear about these things seems to be that you deliberately screen yourself from doing so.

bananas8187 writes:

in response to BigOrangeKitty:

It appears that letter writer W.T Galliford
is attempting to rewrite the dictionary...

That is a doozie of a letter, for sure.

I wonder what other words W.T. Galliford has twisted beyond all recognition? He or she has quite an imagination.

Solitary1 writes:

in response to dano5100:

Doc Gillis - One would think that someone from the medical profession would have given this more thought. Availability of contraceptives encourages promiscuity, promiscuity causes the spread of STDs, promiscuity causes unplanned pregnancies. Why not face up to the truth?

Fascinating, truly fascinating.

Solitary1 writes:

in response to titanbite:

What are YOU talking about,the entire concept of organized religion is totally,"made up",religion is nothing more than fantasy,imaginary conjurations of ancient,ignorant people too afraid to delve into the details of the world around them.

Yes,one can make this religious stuff up,there's even a U.S. Senator from Kentucky who,"made this stuff up",Sen.Rand Paul(R-KY),made up his own religion,he called his deity,"Aqua-Buddha",although,Buddha may have very well been an excellent swimmer,with all of his fat,he certainly could float rather well,no doubt,whether or not Buddha had any association with water is yet to be determined.

Sen.Paul had no problem imagining that his version of Buddha was just as good as any other,he probably considered his rendition of Buddha as being superior to the original in many ways,why wouldn't he,since,he himself made the stuff up!

LOL!

I find it quite entertaining that you would ask others to list details denying the existence of invisible omnipotent entities,when in fact,you yourself are finding it impossible to provide one shred of evidence proving the existence of imaginary god's and goddesses.

Thanks for playing,useless concession refused.

I believe that there is an 'immutable' somewhere around here that will prove once and for all the very existence of imaginary sky pixies.

The method is as follows:
When faced with the daunting task of providing proof of that which is illusive, just state that it is 'immutable' and you shall be saved from further embarrassment.

It also helps to say 'you just can't make this stuff up' when clearly that is exactly what is transpiring.

Go ahead, give it a try. You may just feel better about everything.

titanbite writes:

The right-wing has finally fully acknowledged the commonsense claims of climate change experts.

Jack Spencer,Nuclear Energy Senior Fellow for the Heritage Institute recognizes the danger of climate changing gasses in the atmosphere and the devastating results being seen in our environment that are directly associated with global climate change.

Spenser claims that the U.S. Nuclear Industry could reverse the effects of dangerous,atmosphere clogging emissions stemming from the use of fossil fuels and coal to produce the country's electrical power,in the mind's of those belonging to the Heritage Institute,going nuclear is the only way to assuage the effects of rising temperatures around the planet.

The Heritage Institute's resident nuclear expert is promoting his think tanks full acceptance of climate change science by jumping on the global warming bandwagon in an attempt to swing anti-nuclear sentiment in the country away from the dangers of nuclear power and the lack of a workable solution to deal with the thousands of pounds of deadly toxic radioactive waste the process produces on an annual basis by associating the use of nuclear power generation as the answer to our planets climate change conundrum.

Which proves,without a shadow of a doubt,that conservatives will use a topic for their own personal gain,regardless of whether,or not,they believe in the topic's proven science,what does matter is that by agreeing with the controversial science they've denied,they're given the opportunity to propagate their own agenda,if pushing that agenda means sucking up to science they've vehemently refused to accept up until now,well,I guess its all good.

Solitary1 writes:

in response to Freeliberal:

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All women are at fault for promiscuity, behind contraceptives that is.
It's in the bible right?
Even the Muslims are on board. Just look at Saudi Arabia.

Why do women have to have all those fascinating curves, alluring eyes, sensuous lips, and enticing [comment removed by staff]. Oh the things you can do with a willing female.

Gigitty!

titanbite writes:

in response to Solitary1:

All women are at fault for promiscuity, behind contraceptives that is.
It's in the bible right?
Even the Muslims are on board. Just look at Saudi Arabia.

Why do women have to have all those fascinating curves, alluring eyes, sensuous lips, and enticing [comment removed by staff]. Oh the things you can do with a willing female.

Gigitty!

I concur.

Giggity,giggity!

Canuck writes:

Torah 101.....I want to thank you for those loving words you posted about me last night...your graciousness touched me and I am so pleased to see that my remarks make such a big impression on you.

Your elaborate post only encourages me to continue responding to you in kind.

Shalom!

bananas8187 writes:

in response to Solitary1:

All women are at fault for promiscuity, behind contraceptives that is.
It's in the bible right?
Even the Muslims are on board. Just look at Saudi Arabia.

Why do women have to have all those fascinating curves, alluring eyes, sensuous lips, and enticing [comment removed by staff]. Oh the things you can do with a willing female.

Gigitty!

Gigitty indeed.

Fascinating, alluring, sensuous, enticing...and willing.

Why, I do believe I'm getting weak in the knees. Time for a break.

AmericasTrueRecoveryBeginsIn2016 writes:

in response to titanbite:

The right-wing has finally fully acknowledged the commonsense claims of climate change experts.

Jack Spencer,Nuclear Energy Senior Fellow for the Heritage Institute recognizes the danger of climate changing gasses in the atmosphere and the devastating results being seen in our environment that are directly associated with global climate change.

Spenser claims that the U.S. Nuclear Industry could reverse the effects of dangerous,atmosphere clogging emissions stemming from the use of fossil fuels and coal to produce the country's electrical power,in the mind's of those belonging to the Heritage Institute,going nuclear is the only way to assuage the effects of rising temperatures around the planet.

The Heritage Institute's resident nuclear expert is promoting his think tanks full acceptance of climate change science by jumping on the global warming bandwagon in an attempt to swing anti-nuclear sentiment in the country away from the dangers of nuclear power and the lack of a workable solution to deal with the thousands of pounds of deadly toxic radioactive waste the process produces on an annual basis by associating the use of nuclear power generation as the answer to our planets climate change conundrum.

Which proves,without a shadow of a doubt,that conservatives will use a topic for their own personal gain,regardless of whether,or not,they believe in the topic's proven science,what does matter is that by agreeing with the controversial science they've denied,they're given the opportunity to propagate their own agenda,if pushing that agenda means sucking up to science they've vehemently refused to accept up until now,well,I guess its all good.

"Which proves,without a shadow of a doubt,that conservatives will use a topic for their own personal gain,regardless of whether,or not,they believe in the topic's proven science..."

Since when is this phenomenon limited solely to conservatives? It isn't, by any stretch of the imagination.

Liberals have long been kings of the "If your facts don't support your theory, change the facts" philosophy in the pursuit of their agenda.

It's time that both sides admit that the arguments they use are merely whatever happens to be the most politically expedient or whatever happens to best support their position at the time, regardless of how "true" they are.

nstinks writes:

Liberals must be so proud of their president.

Look what is going on in Afghanistan!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/...

How was Rio Prez?

Is the mother-in-law enjoying the trip at taxpayer expense?

bananas8187 writes:

in response to dano5100:

Doc Gillis - One would think that someone from the medical profession would have given this more thought. Availability of contraceptives encourages promiscuity, promiscuity causes the spread of STDs, promiscuity causes unplanned pregnancies. Why not face up to the truth?

Why don't YOU give this more thought?

Oh that's right, you true believers aren't encouraged to think. You have been trained to follow the yellow brick road.

Actually, since promiscuous people are widely known to eat fish, we can eliminate naughty behavior by prohibiting fishing. Immutable.

P.S. If you're ever in a boat, stay away from the edge of the earth. You wouldn't want to fall off.

genome writes:

in response to dano5100:

Doc Gillis - One would think that someone from the medical profession would have given this more thought. Availability of contraceptives encourages promiscuity, promiscuity causes the spread of STDs, promiscuity causes unplanned pregnancies. Why not face up to the truth?

Dano, Dr. Gillis understands this situation much more clearly than you. Your comment is a proven false claim made by “Human Life International,” a “pro-life missionary to the world.” In reality, the number of teenage pregnancies has continued to drop over the past years as contraceptive knowledge and prevalence has increased.

The American Medical Association supports condom use for the prevention of HIV infection and other STDs. The American College of Gynecology supports the use of IUDs as safe and effective birth control.

The FDA says condoms could save your life, and advocates their use in preventing STDs and pregnancy. After years of claims that condoms do not protect against HPV, a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine proves that condoms are very helpful for preventing it.

It’s important to offer women the choice to prevent unwanted pregnancy and promote the appropriate use of contraceptives.

Let me make it clear: more birth control options do not promote promiscuity, and limiting options clearly does not reduce teen pregnancy rates. Birth control is not just for "loose" young single women in college or the city but for those in committed relationships or for those who are family planning, or perimenopausal, among other reasons. It’s amazing after innumerable studies these issues need to be explained again and again.

Once again, medical evidence trumps religious beliefs!

bananas8187 writes:

in response to Fuck_you_yasadpieceofsocialistshit:

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As usual, I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but I'm going to concede to whatever it is anyway.

With that out of the way, let's get back to my question to you yesterday.

If your god /creator is the TRUTH, as you insist, please explain the Holocaust. Use as many words as you need.

Stick to the Holocaust topic if you can.

Please don't change the subject, which is your usual tactic when you're befuddled.

bananas8187 writes:

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Second only to death, pregnancy is the most effective form of birth control known to man.

It's pretty much a nine month free pass.

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