Prosecutors: Zimmerman ignored dispatcher warning

George Zimmerman during a court hearing Thursday April 12, 2012, in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of the 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. (AP Photo/Gary W. Green, Orlando Sentinel, Pool)

George Zimmerman during a court hearing Thursday April 12, 2012, in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of the 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. (AP Photo/Gary W. Green, Orlando Sentinel, Pool)

SANFORD, Fla. — After weeks in hiding, George Zimmerman made his first courtroom appearance Thursday in the shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, and prosecutors outlined their murder case in court papers, saying the neighborhood watch volunteer followed and confronted the black teenager after a police dispatcher told him not to.

The brief outline, contained in an affidavit filed in support of the second-degree murder charges, appeared to contradict Zimmerman's claim that Martin attacked him after he had turned away and was returning to his vehicle.

In the affidavit, prosecutors also said that Martin's mother identified cries for help heard in the background of a 911 call as her son's. There had been some question as to whether Martin or Zimmerman was the one crying out.

The account of the shooting was released as Zimmerman, 28, appeared at a four-minute hearing in a jailhouse courtroom, setting in motion what could be a long, drawn-out process, or an abrupt and disappointingly short one for the Martin family because of the strong legal protections contained in Florida's "stand your ground" law on self-defense.

During the hearing, Zimmerman stood up straight, held his head high and wore a gray jail jumpsuit. He spoke only to answer "Yes, sir" twice after he was asked basic questions from the judge, who was not in the courtroom but on closed-circuit TV. The defendant's hair was shaved down to stubble and he had a thin goatee. His hands were shackled in front of him.

He did not enter a plea; that will happen at his arraignment, which was set for May 29. Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, has said his client will plead not guilty. A bail hearing for Zimmerman probably will be held April 20, O'Mara said late Thursday.

To prove second-degree murder, prosecutors must show that Zimmerman committed an "imminently dangerous" act that showed a "depraved" lack of regard for human life. The charge carries a mandatory sentence of 25 years in prison and a maximum of life.

The special prosecutor in the case, Angela Corey, has refused to explain exactly how she arrived at the charge. But in the affidavit, prosecutors said Zimmerman spotted Martin while patrolling his gated community, got out of his vehicle and followed the young man.

Prosecutors interviewed a friend of Martin's who was talking to him over the phone moments before the shooting. His parents' lawyer has said that Martin was talking to his girlfriend back in Miami.

"During this time, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening," the affidavit said. "The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why."

During a recorded call to a police dispatcher, Zimmerman "made reference to people he felt had committed and gotten away with break-ins in his neighborhood. Later while talking about Martin, Zimmerman stated 'these a------s, they always get away' and also said 'these f-----g punks,' said the affidavit, available at http://apne.ws/Itn7Nu .

It continued: "When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and that the responding officer would meet him. Zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher and continued to follow Martin who was trying to return to his home."

"Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued," prosecutors said in their account.

The account provided no details on the struggle other than to say that witnesses heard numerous calls for help and that Martin's mother reviewed the 911 recordings and recognized her son's cry.

Zimmerman told authorities that Martin attacked him as he going back to his vehicle, punched him in the face, knocked him down and began slamming head against the sidewalk.

At Thursday's hearing, the case was assigned to Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler, a 39-year-old former assistant state attorney from Sanford who was elected to the bench in 2010. Zimmerman is being held without bail at the county jail.

For all the relief among civil rights activists over the arrest, legal experts warned there is a real chance the case could get thrown out before it ever goes to trial because of Florida's "stand your ground" law, which gives people a broad right to use deadly force without having to retreat from a fight.

At a pretrial hearing, Zimmerman's lawyers would only have to prove by a preponderance of evidence — a relatively low legal standard — that he acted in self-defense in order to get a judge to toss out the second-murder charges. And if that fails and the case does go to trial, the defense can raise the argument all over again.

There's a "high likelihood it could be dismissed by the judge even before the jury gets to hear the case," Florida defense attorney Richard Hornsby said. Karin Moore, an assistant professor of law at Florida A&M University, said the law "puts a tremendous burden on the state to prove that it wasn't self-defense."

At some point soon, Zimmerman's lawyer is expected to ask the judge for a hearing on "stand your ground."

"It is going to be a facet of this defense, I'm sure," O'Mara said in an interview. "That statute has some troublesome portions to it, and we're now going to have some conversations and discussions about it as a state. But right now it is the law of Florida and it is the law that is going to have an impact on this case."

Martin family and their lawyer acknowledged the arrest is just a first step.

"I think that it will start the process that we are pushing for," said Martin's father, Tracy Martin, "but we can't just stop because we have an arrest. We got to keep pushing to get a conviction, and after a conviction we have to certainly continue to push to get a stiff sentence."

Martin family attorney Ben Crump said he wants to make the repeal or the amending of "stand your ground" laws in Florida and other states to be a big part of Trayvon Martin's legacy. "We're not the wild, wild west," Crump said.

As for Zimmerman, O'Mara said after the court appearance: "He is tired. He has gone through some tribulations. He is facing second-degree murder charges now. He is frightened. That would frighten any of us."

"He has a lot of hatred focused on him right now," the defense attorney said. "I'm hoping that the hatred settles down now that we're moving forward."

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bonlyjonly writes:

Florida Code 843.20 is a criminal provision titled “Harassment of participant of neighborhood crime watch program.” It makes it a misdemeanor to threaten or intimidate a member of a neighborhood crime watch program “while such member is engaged in. . . an organized neighborhood crime watch program activity.” The law says that a neighborhood patrol includes a “crime watch program activity.” Zimmerman was on his neighborhood crime watch patrol when he was attacked. Zimmerman will walk. There will be a broadway show to appease all the Sharptons and the Panthers , but he will walk.

KennyR (Inactive) writes:

This is going to be a train wreck. Hopefully Angela Corey has more up her sleeves, the evidence referenced in this article is FAR from 2nd degree murder.

beetlejuice writes:

Guiiiiiiilty!
Guiiiiiiilty!
whatevah

Fleriduh
whatevah

beetlejuice writes:

stand your ground....
lies abound
whatevah

pharphetch writes:

Zimmerman put the nail on his coffin when he made three bad decisions. Bad Decision(1): He acted as a police instead of a neighbor by following the perp (as he would call him) after the 911 dispatcher asked him not to follow Martin. Bad Decision (2): He's caught on the 911 tape say "they always get away" after he was directed not to follow Martin, (who is they)? Is "they" thieves? Because Martin had not been reported for breaking in any homes in Zimmerman's neighborhood and he had not been reported for stealing the skittles in his possession. Or does "they" refer to "black people" which is the only way I could fit "they" in the equation. Bad Decision (3): He left his home with a gun in pursuit of an innocent person who had done absolutely NOTHING. If he felt threatened while outside of his home, he could have easily followed the 911 dispatcher's instructions and retreated back to HIS home, locked his door and waited on the proper authorities (who's trained to handle these type situations) to come and investigate and apprehend Martin if needed. Had Zimmerman followed instructions he'd be home with his family, Martin would be home or in jail and Rev. Al Sharpton would not have his ugly face on television every day! Point blank and simple! Zimmerman's a jerk who has called 911 over 60 times and was never good enough to be a real cop, and I can only wonder why? I guess we'll find out during his trial won't we?

volochine writes:

A kid was murdered and the man, who killed the kid has been arrested and charged for it.

In Florida, that is a subtle victory.

unfatcat writes:

If we assume that Zimmerman's goal was to pursue Martin by following him; even when dispatch said not to; 2nd degree murder would then mean that following someone, watching someone, or the like is now a felony crime. I guess one couldn't go to the local mall and watch people in the mall anymore or take the infamous "wallmart shoppers photos"; because it would send you to prison.

If the intent was to kill Trayvor; would Zimmerman have called police at all? I don't think so.

If two people got into a bar room brawl, and one got killed in a scuffle; is this 2nd degree murder? I don't think so. It takes two people to have a fight. Each has the opportunity to walk away. The result would be accidental--perhaps self-defense, perhaps manslaughter; but not 2nd degree murder.

Also, another inconsistent report in the media is coming from Trayvor's mother, who says one thing on CNN and another on FOX. This family is looking for severe penalty, not the truth.

MisterK writes:

This guy had monsters in his head. Acting as a crime fighter, he has become a criminal. This case will be heard.

Ruger writes:

in response to bonlyjonly:

Florida Code 843.20 is a criminal provision titled “Harassment of participant of neighborhood crime watch program.” It makes it a misdemeanor to threaten or intimidate a member of a neighborhood crime watch program “while such member is engaged in. . . an organized neighborhood crime watch program activity.” The law says that a neighborhood patrol includes a “crime watch program activity.” Zimmerman was on his neighborhood crime watch patrol when he was attacked. Zimmerman will walk. There will be a broadway show to appease all the Sharptons and the Panthers , but he will walk.

Ouch! That's going to leave a mark.

I wonder if Bloomberg and the media will now push to overturn "Neighborhood Crime Watch Programs" laws nationwide?

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes...

843.20 Harassment of participant of neighborhood crime watch program prohibited; penalty; definitions

unfatcat writes:

in response to Ruger:

Ouch! That's going to leave a mark.

I wonder if Bloomberg and the media will now push to overturn "Neighborhood Crime Watch Programs" laws nationwide?

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes...

843.20 Harassment of participant of neighborhood crime watch program prohibited; penalty; definitions

I think the key words here are "identifiable crime watch." Zimmerman was on foot and self-appointed crime watch. Unless there was verbage on his shirt or he had time to explain why he was there, this defense doesn't work.

Ironbutterfly writes:

Before the biased MSM edited the 911 tapes, when the operator said "we don't need you to do that" (follow him) Zimmerman said "ok". There was a witness to Zimmerman being on the ground with Trayvon on top.
Get ready for the race war, Zimmerman will not be charged with 2nd degree murder.

Trunk_Monkey writes:

Everyone on both sides of this are making conclusions based on assumptions. The total fact set has not been released yet. The only thing I hope happens is the facts of the incident are discovered and presented properly in court. If that occurs the proper decision will be made in court. I just hope this case does not lead to the repeal of the stand your ground law.

Spock_is_logical writes:

Just another Barney Pfife without a badge. He may walk but da black panthers will cap him sooner or later.

You are a walking dead man zimmer. Best just plead guilty and enjoy prison as much as you can.

furball writes:

We have to wait for the facts. But I don't know how he can get a fair trial. It will be Rodney King all over again should he be found not guilty. Either way it is a lose lose especially for the Martin family. We had 2 cases lately, Dells and the teen that was bullied.

MyTwoCents writes:

I want to be part of the neighborhood watch, then that gives me the right to provoke confrontation and possibly shoot anyone I deem as 'suspicious' against the advice of a 911 dispatcher...and that includes you early bird community runners! If I don't know you, I will bring my gun and interrogate you....watch out!

Seriously though, if this guy gets off imagine the power these Condo "Watch Dogs" in town would have.

JohnDoeNJ writes:

in response to bonlyjonly:

Florida Code 843.20 is a criminal provision titled “Harassment of participant of neighborhood crime watch program.” It makes it a misdemeanor to threaten or intimidate a member of a neighborhood crime watch program “while such member is engaged in. . . an organized neighborhood crime watch program activity.” The law says that a neighborhood patrol includes a “crime watch program activity.” Zimmerman was on his neighborhood crime watch patrol when he was attacked. Zimmerman will walk. There will be a broadway show to appease all the Sharptons and the Panthers , but he will walk.

You are an intellectual midget. Quoting law does not make you a lawyer. If and when the defense cites that law, the prosecution will poke so many holes in it, it will look like swiss cheese.

Obviously none of us knows exactly what happened, but the facts as I know them point to Zimmerman pursuing and harassing Martin, not vice versa. There are also laws that make that a crime, which you conveniently forgot to mention.

It's sad that so many people are making this a referendum about race relations in America. The bottom line is an unarmed minor was gunned down by a 28 year old with a gun in a gated neighborhood. If you don't think the 28 year old deserves to be put on trial to determine if it was absolutely necessary, get out of our civilized country.

KennyR (Inactive) writes:

in response to GOPWhistleblower:

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OK. So Zimmerman planned to kill Martin and first thing on his todo list was call the police.

Murder is going to be a tough sale. They will have to prove Zimmerman went after Martin with the intent to kill him. He just got off the phone with the police??

They should have charged him with "Voluntary Manslaughter". That would have been an easy conviction. Instead, this will be another high-profile case where the defendant walks.

upeoplrmean writes:

Zimmerman has a history of calling 911 and a few run-ins with the law. If he hadn't purssued the kid none of this would have happened. The only reason people are slamming the kid and his family and defending the creep is that they are racist (and I am as white as can be). That's the truth and everyone knows it.

FLGIRL347 writes:

Zimmerman seems to have a problem with listening & following rules/directions...he didn't listen to the 911 operator and he didn't listen to his former attorneys. He probably thought, I'm going to try to be Mr. Superhero in my neighborhood. I'm gonna follow this "suspicious" kid and get out of my car like I'm a cop & if he puts up a fight to defend himself, I'll just pull out my gun and shoot & kill him because I live in Florida and I can pull out the "Stand Your Ground" card, I'm covered. I'm sure he was thinking he could get away with this and who knows, he still could...but he'll never live a normal life if he does walk, just like Casey Anthony.

zumachris writes:

I have seen no proof that Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after the 911 dispatcher told him it wasn't necessary. In fact, the latest un-edited version of the tape has Zimmerman stating he no longer sees Martin. Either way, Martin ran as he told his girl friend on his cellular and there has never been any statement about Zimmerman running, only walking and following. Zimmerman also told the dispatcher that Martin was running now. It is not illegal to follow someone as a private citizen. I have read many blogs about Zimmerman acted as a police office. I don't agree. At no time did he issue any orders or commands to Martin. He only followed and reported as a good watch person would do. Martin according to Zimmerman attacked him from behind, hit him in the face knocking him to the ground and then pounded his head into the sidewalk causing the lacerations seen on the video. The coroners report will show any wounds sufered by being in a fight. What if there arn't any? You can't hide the fact that the paramedics on scene cleaned Zimmerman's wounds prior to him being placed in custody. Perhaps this troubled youth, I'm refering to his two school suspensions, may have decided he would confront his stranger in the night rather than keep walking the short distance to his fathers girl friends townhouse in the gated complex.
I recently heard a female attorney on TV in California state she didn't understand how citizens were allowed to carry weapons in Florida. Apparently she doesn't realize the majority of the states allow carring of weapons with a permit. Even her state although very difficult to get a permit. All states allow a person to over come an attack using force necessary to over come the attack. If someone attacks you for whatever reason you don't have to wait and see if you can go three rounds five minutes long of knock down drag out fighting. You use what you have to to fend off the attack. Your not required to be over powered and beat up and not defend yourself. The evidence so far as released shows a classic self defense shooting.

JohnDoeNJ writes:

in response to SoldierStrong:

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How does a hooded sweatshirt equate to "the thug look"? What a ridiculous assumption.

I know plenty of people who wear hooded sweatshirts on the beach when windy, when traveling to colder areas, WHEN IT"S RAINING. They'd hardly be considered thugs because of a type of clothing they're wearing.

Try again Geraldo...

martinm_1 writes:

in response to Ruger:

Ouch! That's going to leave a mark.

I wonder if Bloomberg and the media will now push to overturn "Neighborhood Crime Watch Programs" laws nationwide?

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes...

843.20 Harassment of participant of neighborhood crime watch program prohibited; penalty; definitions

I AGREE WITH YOU 100%.THIS IS ONLY A DOG AND PONY SHOW FOR THE BLACK PEOPLE,HE DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG,ITS SELF DEFENSE.

MyTwoCents writes:

in response to SoldierStrong:

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Uh....Did he leave his home to talk to the suspect? Or did he stay inside his home?

'Provoke' is a wrong word to use with someone like yourself looking for facts. Is it fair to assume Mr. Z 'approached' the suspect and questioned him outside his home? Would it have been smarter to avoid meeting suspect and kept an eye on him until law enforcement appeared?

You must be a "Condo Watchdog" yourself...I guess you love staring down people you don't like and give them a hard time? You're going to knock on my door for having a flower pot in front of my door because it violates Condo Association Rule #7? With Mr. Z's actions, you can now bring a concealed weapon and 'ask' questions, big guy.

Troll

alexia6ciula writes:

in response to pharphetch:

Zimmerman put the nail on his coffin when he made three bad decisions. Bad Decision(1): He acted as a police instead of a neighbor by following the perp (as he would call him) after the 911 dispatcher asked him not to follow Martin. Bad Decision (2): He's caught on the 911 tape say "they always get away" after he was directed not to follow Martin, (who is they)? Is "they" thieves? Because Martin had not been reported for breaking in any homes in Zimmerman's neighborhood and he had not been reported for stealing the skittles in his possession. Or does "they" refer to "black people" which is the only way I could fit "they" in the equation. Bad Decision (3): He left his home with a gun in pursuit of an innocent person who had done absolutely NOTHING. If he felt threatened while outside of his home, he could have easily followed the 911 dispatcher's instructions and retreated back to HIS home, locked his door and waited on the proper authorities (who's trained to handle these type situations) to come and investigate and apprehend Martin if needed. Had Zimmerman followed instructions he'd be home with his family, Martin would be home or in jail and Rev. Al Sharpton would not have his ugly face on television every day! Point blank and simple! Zimmerman's a jerk who has called 911 over 60 times and was never good enough to be a real cop, and I can only wonder why? I guess we'll find out during his trial won't we?

Very well put.
Thank you! I had lost hope to see a blog on NDN that made any sense :-)

bh1799 writes:

in response to martinm_1:

I AGREE WITH YOU 100%.THIS IS ONLY A DOG AND PONY SHOW FOR THE BLACK PEOPLE,HE DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG,ITS SELF DEFENSE.

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zumachris writes:

in response to SoldierStrong:

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Is there a paturn here? He hit his bus driver? If this is true I guess he does have violence in his mind.
All 17 year olds carry screwdrivers, a common break in tool in their backpacks, really? Anyone missing any womens jewerly. Maybe these items can be returned to the rightful owner.

usmc4mrgi writes:

in response to JohnDoeNJ:

You are an intellectual midget. Quoting law does not make you a lawyer. If and when the defense cites that law, the prosecution will poke so many holes in it, it will look like swiss cheese.

Obviously none of us knows exactly what happened, but the facts as I know them point to Zimmerman pursuing and harassing Martin, not vice versa. There are also laws that make that a crime, which you conveniently forgot to mention.

It's sad that so many people are making this a referendum about race relations in America. The bottom line is an unarmed minor was gunned down by a 28 year old with a gun in a gated neighborhood. If you don't think the 28 year old deserves to be put on trial to determine if it was absolutely necessary, get out of our civilized country.

Amen! Finally a logical, non-partisan, non-racist comment. An arrest and a trial are called for in this matter. I don't need a conviction, just an appropriate accounting for the loss of this young man's life.

Ruger writes:

in response to unfatcat:

I think the key words here are "identifiable crime watch." Zimmerman was on foot and self-appointed crime watch. Unless there was verbage on his shirt or he had time to explain why he was there, this defense doesn't work.

Making up a new realities to suit your agenda is no way to go through life, Son...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting...

Zimmerman was appointed coordinator by his neighbors, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department.[48] The February 2012 homeowner association newsletter requested that crime victims "call our captain, George Zimmerman" after calling the police.[10] "He once caught a thief and an arrest was made," said Cynthia Wibker, secretary of the homeowners association, referring to Zimmerman.[43]

Ruger writes:

in response to GOPWhistleblower:

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Do you ever post anything relevant to the issue?

Maybe you prefer "Working on Gun Control below the Radar", this is the liberal way to attack Americans Right To Defend Themselves... right?

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?...

Obama: “I’m working on gun control under the radar”

alexia6ciula writes:

in response to MyTwoCents:

I want to be part of the neighborhood watch, then that gives me the right to provoke confrontation and possibly shoot anyone I deem as 'suspicious' against the advice of a 911 dispatcher...and that includes you early bird community runners! If I don't know you, I will bring my gun and interrogate you....watch out!

Seriously though, if this guy gets off imagine the power these Condo "Watch Dogs" in town would have.

I had purchase a condo three years ago and on the second day I wanted to use the community pool but I did not have the keys yet. I just decided to go to the pool and see if a resident will open the gate for me just by showing the apartment keys . One nice resident let me in as she reconized me with moving truck and was livin right next door. After 20 minutes there I was sun bathing and minding my business I noticed a security guard looking at me then he approached me to ask if I had the key to the pool and what I was doing there. I politely told him I had just purchased the condo there gave him the unit number as per his request and showed him the keys , told him I was waiting to get a pool key soon . He acted like I was lying and was giving me the bad looks and attitued I decided to leave just for the peace of mind. As I left shortly after I noticed he followed me around with a golf cart to see where a was really living at the aprtment I assume . I felt violated, mad and harassed by this guy. I also felt threatened, I did not know his intentions so I stared to walk all around the complex and on the grass to try to lose him. He continued follow me to the point I stopped and ask him to leave me alone or I would call the police then I went to the association and reported him. Keep in mind I am a petite woman and did not pose any threat to the community by using the pool.I believe he profiled me just because I have an accent Why this crazy guy targeted me? I still don’t know. Next day I found hole in my car tire I bet courtesy of that crazy guy. I sold my condo as soon is possible, lost monies but bough a house in non deed controlled area and forgot about the nightmare of condo living. Morale of the story is : Those condo commandos are mostly likely to be failed cops with frustrations that dont know how to draw the line in between observing and harassing. I have a feeling that Zimmerman is just like that crazy A hole who followed me aroung and made me feel very very unconfortable

alexia6ciula writes:

in response to JohnDoeNJ:

How does a hooded sweatshirt equate to "the thug look"? What a ridiculous assumption.

I know plenty of people who wear hooded sweatshirts on the beach when windy, when traveling to colder areas, WHEN IT"S RAINING. They'd hardly be considered thugs because of a type of clothing they're wearing.

Try again Geraldo...

Dont waiste your time with Soldier My A .
He is as damm as the guy who shot the kid

usmc4mrgi writes:

in response to alexia6ciula:

I had purchase a condo three years ago and on the second day I wanted to use the community pool but I did not have the keys yet. I just decided to go to the pool and see if a resident will open the gate for me just by showing the apartment keys . One nice resident let me in as she reconized me with moving truck and was livin right next door. After 20 minutes there I was sun bathing and minding my business I noticed a security guard looking at me then he approached me to ask if I had the key to the pool and what I was doing there. I politely told him I had just purchased the condo there gave him the unit number as per his request and showed him the keys , told him I was waiting to get a pool key soon . He acted like I was lying and was giving me the bad looks and attitued I decided to leave just for the peace of mind. As I left shortly after I noticed he followed me around with a golf cart to see where a was really living at the aprtment I assume . I felt violated, mad and harassed by this guy. I also felt threatened, I did not know his intentions so I stared to walk all around the complex and on the grass to try to lose him. He continued follow me to the point I stopped and ask him to leave me alone or I would call the police then I went to the association and reported him. Keep in mind I am a petite woman and did not pose any threat to the community by using the pool.I believe he profiled me just because I have an accent Why this crazy guy targeted me? I still don’t know. Next day I found hole in my car tire I bet courtesy of that crazy guy. I sold my condo as soon is possible, lost monies but bough a house in non deed controlled area and forgot about the nightmare of condo living. Morale of the story is : Those condo commandos are mostly likely to be failed cops with frustrations that dont know how to draw the line in between observing and harassing. I have a feeling that Zimmerman is just like that crazy A hole who followed me aroung and made me feel very very unconfortable

You know you had skittles on you! Admit it! I bet you didn't even have a concealed carry permit for your skittles. And how dare you have an accent?!?!
As you can see from these posts, Zimmerman is in good company down here is SW FL. Too bad, because there are many decent folks down here too.

upeoplrmean writes:

in response to SoldierStrong:

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No teen deserves to die for wearing the 'thug look' as you call it. My WHITE son and his buddies all wear them! If someone harrasses them for that they are also profiling ... just not racially. I believe the last time I checked this was America and we are free to dress however we like and put on hoods if it's raining... and walk home and be left alone... funny how the things some people read/hear the rest of us don't - be carfeul what you condisder credible news - most of it is trash

alexia6ciula writes:

Neighbor watch is a bunch of BULL SH it was created by the associations and the local police to get security services for free. Here the result: Gettin untrained , unqualified people to do a job they do not get paid for it. Of course the only applicant you get is the Zimmerman type= Trigger happy,crazy cop wannabe. I hope the kid family sues the association for putting the resident and non residents life in danger by putting an armed unqualified guy in charge of the watch.

alexia6ciula writes:

in response to bandog:

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I forgot to mentions I did not have skittles but I had chocholate M&M in my hand and did not have a permit for it

Silent1nomore writes:

Next time, I bet Zimmerman will acknowledge that he IS "standing down" and say so while heading back to his vehicle!

JohnDoeNJ writes:

in response to SoldierStrong:

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What I'm doing is pointing out that your comment about a hooded sweater shirt is wrong and makes you look s-----. I'm no liberal, just not a reactionary extremist like you.

luvsnaplessometimes (Inactive) writes:

in response to upeoplrmean:

No teen deserves to die for wearing the 'thug look' as you call it. My WHITE son and his buddies all wear them! If someone harrasses them for that they are also profiling ... just not racially. I believe the last time I checked this was America and we are free to dress however we like and put on hoods if it's raining... and walk home and be left alone... funny how the things some people read/hear the rest of us don't - be carfeul what you condisder credible news - most of it is trash

I agree. The problem with Soldier is he is a racist. He just doesn't want to admit it. Oh and Soldier BTW, what Travon did in his personal life has nothing to do with the events that transpired that night. Go get a life and get off of this site repeating same old lies.

AmericasTrueRecoveryBeginsIn2016 writes:

I find it entertaining (and more than a little hypocritical) to see that the liberal extremists, who are the self-proclaimed champions of individual and minority rights, are the ones screaming the loudest (especially in the media) to convict and sentence Zimmerman without the benefit of a trial, before all of the relevent evidence is gathered or heard.

Yet another example of how their beliefs only apply to those they choose when it is convenient for them, rather than to everyone equally all of the time.

Hypocrite much?

AmericasTrueRecoveryBeginsIn2016 writes:

in response to luvsnaplessometimes:

I agree. The problem with Soldier is he is a racist. He just doesn't want to admit it. Oh and Soldier BTW, what Travon did in his personal life has nothing to do with the events that transpired that night. Go get a life and get off of this site repeating same old lies.

By that logic, what Zimmerman did in his personal life has nothing to do with the events that transpired that night, either.

Unfortunately, that logic is incorrect, on both counts.

Right or wrong, the personal lives of both individuals will be called into question and put under a microscope before this incident is finally settled. And, it will be up to a jury to decide how much, if any, of it really matters.

You can't have it both ways.

Colorado (Inactive) writes:

in response to bonlyjonly:

Florida Code 843.20 is a criminal provision titled “Harassment of participant of neighborhood crime watch program.” It makes it a misdemeanor to threaten or intimidate a member of a neighborhood crime watch program “while such member is engaged in. . . an organized neighborhood crime watch program activity.” The law says that a neighborhood patrol includes a “crime watch program activity.” Zimmerman was on his neighborhood crime watch patrol when he was attacked. Zimmerman will walk. There will be a broadway show to appease all the Sharptons and the Panthers , but he will walk.

You listen to Rush and Fox too much. Zimmerman was the attacker and provoker. Just listen to the tape. You people really don't want the facts to get in your way, do you? I'm sure you would be in favor of lynching instead of a killing.

Silent1nomore writes:

The Liberals, by assuming Zimmerman is guilty by what they see or read by the Liberal Media reminds me of how we elected our last President! No vetting, no questioning, no getting the facts!

blefebvre writes:

The media has posted so many stories about the incident. Bleeping out words that sounded like derogatory comments when it wasn't there, but adding fuel to an already tense sutuation. Posting a younger fresh face photo of the victim. Slanting the news! Facts - I want facts in the news NOT rumors or hints at wrong doing. This is a serious situation. Dead or Aive posters! I heard a recorded police call with Zimmerman and the police told him not to follow ~ but then in the same call I heard Zimmerman said that Trayvon was approaching him! So, lets wait and get the facts before we jump to judgement on anything. Tyson says he's not in favor of letting the legal system handle George Zimmerman (really this was in the news)!

KennyR (Inactive) writes:

2+2=5. Don't pay attention to details. Ignorance is Strength. Look over there, its a RACE CARD! Vote Democrat.

caloosa writes:

It's a simple fact. To get a gun permit you need very little....a Driver's license and balls bigger than your brains! Soul brothers are really going to love this total loser in the joint!

MyTwoCents writes:

in response to SoldierStrong:

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You also thought OJ was innocent until proven guilty in his murder trial.....am I wrong to assume that?

Liberal? LOL

Tea Party Logic= If you don't agree with me, then you are a liberal

And yes kind sir, you are a troll...

Have an outstanding weekend.

Z07 writes:

He'll be toast once they pack the jury with black panthers. Otherwise, he walks.

MOD167 writes:

Remember this similar scenario that played out in Collier County a short time ago?

Teen who killed bully won't be charged
By HLNtv.com Staff
updated 9:14 AM EST, Fri February 17, 2012
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/01/...

I guess the previous aforementioned SYG decision blows your "Trayvon was unarmed and only punched him" unjust killing theory!

Many NDN commenters views above suggest this:

If Jorge Saavedra were a white kid and Nuno black, Saavedra would be serving time for murder/manslaughter! Your rationale would be that Nuno "only" punched Saavedra, posed no imminent death threat, therfore Saavedra should not have been stabbed Nuno to death.

It appears that those crying out against racism are the real racist's!

NDNisLame writes:

in response to SoldierStrong:

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"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted"."

This is you, to a T...

kappa1997 writes:

Good citizens of this country are fed up with it and we are not going to take it anymore. Those of use who can aquire firearms to defend the liberty will do so!

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ma...

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