Letter: For sale?

Hank Bahmer, Golden Gate Estates

For sale?

President Barack Obama refuses to let Americans drill for more oil, but guess what?

Eight islands in Alaska are being given to the Russians, and it just happens that these are oil-rich islands.

The price? I dunno — how much is a presidency worth these days?

Obama wouldn't give away our precious resources to help his re-election, would he?

No mention of this in the lamestream media, but these facts are easily verified with a simple Google search.

Is there no end to the corruption in the present administration?

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harmony951 writes:

What claptrap this is!

savenaples writes:

in response to harmony951:

What claptrap this is!

Obama - the worst President this republic has ever endured.

November - thank God.

pmz writes:

What are the names of the eight islands?

anticorp writes:

in response to pmz:

What are the names of the eight islands?

People wonder why everyone scoffs at the Tia Baggers.
http://factcheck.org/2012/03/alaskan-...

ruf462 writes:

in response to pmz:

What are the names of the eight islands?

Is your point that there are only seven islands included in the expected deal, or are you demonstrating yet another example of what you don't know that you don't know?

pmz writes:

in response to ruf462:

Is your point that there are only seven islands included in the expected deal, or are you demonstrating yet another example of what you don't know that you don't know?

I asked a simple question.

Do you know the answer?

pmz writes:

Here are the facts.

http://www.wnd.com/2008/07/70902/

The writer had the timing wrong. It was President Bush four years ago.

ruf462 writes:

in response to pmz:

I asked a simple question.

Do you know the answer?

1. Pick a search engine. [Google comes to mind.]
2. Type in a logical subject search.
3. Search "Obama gives islands to Russia"
4. Pause when you see over 42 million hits
5. Pick several sources + read
6. Learn to use sources other than Wikipedia.
7. One less thing that you don't know that you don't know. In other words, add this to your short list of known knowns.

pmz writes:

in response to ruf462:

1. Pick a search engine. [Google comes to mind.]
2. Type in a logical subject search.
3. Search "Obama gives islands to Russia"
4. Pause when you see over 42 million hits
5. Pick several sources + read
6. Learn to use sources other than Wikipedia.
7. One less thing that you don't know that you don't know. In other words, add this to your short list of known knowns.

I did that. Answer above.

Wouldn't it have saved time if:

1. You did not respond to my original question as you didn't really have anything to add.
2. You responded by saying "I don't know" accurately describing your state at that moment.
3. You did what you recommended I do and provided the answer that I did.

BobinNaples writes:

"President Barack Obama refuses to let Americans drill for more oil"?

Under the Obama administration, America is producing more oil today than at any time in the last eight years.

Look it up, Hank. Desperate lies are all the GOP has now.

trader9 (Inactive) writes:

in response to pmz:

Here are the facts.

http://www.wnd.com/2008/07/70902/

The writer had the timing wrong. It was President Bush four years ago.

The Propagandist-in-Chief at it again. If you actually read the article, why are you blatently lying while claiming to represent "facts"?

Agreement giving away Alaska's property was signed in 1991 and upheld by each administration since. The State dept. executed a 20 y/o agreement.

Still questionable that the Feds even had the right (much less applied any common sense) to begin with.

Another in a long list of examples why you have zero credibility anymore.

trader9 (Inactive) writes:

in response to BobinNaples:

"President Barack Obama refuses to let Americans drill for more oil"?

Under the Obama administration, America is producing more oil today than at any time in the last eight years.

Look it up, Hank. Desperate lies are all the GOP has now.

Actually Bob, the Obama Administration is blocking more production than ever. The production you site is on private land.

pmz writes:

in response to trader9:

The Propagandist-in-Chief at it again. If you actually read the article, why are you blatently lying while claiming to represent "facts"?

Agreement giving away Alaska's property was signed in 1991 and upheld by each administration since. The State dept. executed a 20 y/o agreement.

Still questionable that the Feds even had the right (much less applied any common sense) to begin with.

Another in a long list of examples why you have zero credibility anymore.

I've always wished for zero credibility from you. That can only mean one thing. I'm telling the truth.

pmz writes:

in response to trader9:

Actually Bob, the Obama Administration is blocking more production than ever. The production you site is on private land.

Gee, oil production went down under Bush and has gone up under Obama.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Leaf...

pmz writes:

in response to BobinNaples:

"President Barack Obama refuses to let Americans drill for more oil"?

Under the Obama administration, America is producing more oil today than at any time in the last eight years.

Look it up, Hank. Desperate lies are all the GOP has now.

As weak as they are in every political category, candidates, solutions, record, accomplishments, organization, platform, they have only one strength.

They are unafraid to lie repeatedly and publically. Their supporters will believe anything, and I mean anything, that comes from Rush and Fox and the rest of the republican propaganda ministry.

What a bunch of absolute losers.

pmz writes:

This letter writer lies through his teeth then ends his rant "Is there no end to the corruption in the present administration?"

A prototypical neo-republican.

How far the party of Lincoln has fallen.

trader9 (Inactive) writes:

in response to pmz:

This letter writer lies through his teeth then ends his rant "Is there no end to the corruption in the present administration?"

A prototypical neo-republican.

How far the party of Lincoln has fallen.

Careful there Rainman, you're gonna burst a blood vessel. I'm sure they're fragile enough as it is.

Actually, his rant is eerily similar to many of your 23000+ posts. In your case, you lie through your teeth like the one just above, then finsh with some pablum like "Steady as she goes".

(We know...it's not a lie if you believe it, right Peter?)

tadgro writes:

in response to trader9:

The Propagandist-in-Chief at it again. If you actually read the article, why are you blatently lying while claiming to represent "facts"?

Agreement giving away Alaska's property was signed in 1991 and upheld by each administration since. The State dept. executed a 20 y/o agreement.

Still questionable that the Feds even had the right (much less applied any common sense) to begin with.

Another in a long list of examples why you have zero credibility anymore.

trader9
your deceit and obsfucation fools no-one. pmz has his facts in order. You on the other hand with astonishing impunity,disorder facts to suit your own political agenda.

This is a tired old issue going back 20 odd years. World Net Daily published a July 29, 2008, article critical of the State Department for the “island giveaway.” Of course, George W. Bush — not Obama — was president at the time.

The Bush administration’s official Arctic Region Policy stated that the U.S. would abide by the 1990 maritime agreement and would continue to urge the Russian Federation to ratify it. Neither the U.S., Britain nor Canada has disputed the Soviet (and now Russian) claim to the islands. The U.S. State Department says Wrangel and the other islands WERE NOT in the U.S. purchase of Alaska from Russia in 1867, and “they have NEVER BEEN CLAIMED claimed by the United States.”

The whole business was raised anew in an other opinion piece published Feb. 16 of this year on the same conservative site World Net Daily (notable for promoting dubious claims about the president’s birthplace).

It was written by Joe Miller, the Tea Party favorite who defeated Sen. Lisa Murkowski (daughter of former Sen. Frank Murkowski) in the 2010 Republican Senate primary, only to see Lisa Murkowski go on to win the general election handily as a write-in candidate.

A crusading California activist named Carl Olson, of Woodland Hills, Calif., made it his business to claim that the islands are “100 percent American,” as the AP said in 1990.

The organization Olson founded, “State Department Watch, Ltd,” is still pressing that argument today. (The group is a nonprofit advocacy organization) that reported taking in $2.4 million in 2010 but spent most of it on fundraising, according to its most recent IRS Form 990. It paid Olson an $80,000 salary, made grants of $51,000 to the “1776 Tea Party” of Laguna Woods, Calif., and $9,500 to the “Minuteman Project, Inc.” of Aliso Viejo, Calif.

But nearly $2 million was reported going for postage and printing. The group reports that Despite Olson’s objections, the Senate ratified a treaty establishing the current maritime boundary between the U.S. and the Soviet Union (now Russia) on Sept. 16, 1991.

The vote was a lopsided 86 to 6 with
Alaska’s senators,
the late Ted Stevens and Frank Murkowski, BOTH REPUBLICANS voting IN FAVOR of ratification.

It's not explained why Miller mentions only seven islands when Olson always has insisted the U.S. has a claim to eight.

But whatever the count, it is simply FALSE to claim that Obama is “giving away” islands to which no U.S. president has asserted a claim FOR MORE THAN 85 YEARS, if ever!

You owe pmz an apology.

tadgro writes:

My apologies for neglecting to include the source of my comments.
The information in my post came from-

http://factcheck.org/2012/03/alaskan-...

pmz writes:

As the once great republican party had to rely on their 24/7/365 propaganda ministry to shore up their growing weakness in candidates, solutions, accomplishments, ideas, organization, virtually everything of value, they became the brand.

Today they are synononomous with lie, whine and blame, their only product.

Will they ever recover?

trader9 (Inactive) writes:

in response to tadgro:

trader9
your deceit and obsfucation fools no-one. pmz has his facts in order. You on the other hand with astonishing impunity,disorder facts to suit your own political agenda.

This is a tired old issue going back 20 odd years. World Net Daily published a July 29, 2008, article critical of the State Department for the “island giveaway.” Of course, George W. Bush — not Obama — was president at the time.

The Bush administration’s official Arctic Region Policy stated that the U.S. would abide by the 1990 maritime agreement and would continue to urge the Russian Federation to ratify it. Neither the U.S., Britain nor Canada has disputed the Soviet (and now Russian) claim to the islands. The U.S. State Department says Wrangel and the other islands WERE NOT in the U.S. purchase of Alaska from Russia in 1867, and “they have NEVER BEEN CLAIMED claimed by the United States.”

The whole business was raised anew in an other opinion piece published Feb. 16 of this year on the same conservative site World Net Daily (notable for promoting dubious claims about the president’s birthplace).

It was written by Joe Miller, the Tea Party favorite who defeated Sen. Lisa Murkowski (daughter of former Sen. Frank Murkowski) in the 2010 Republican Senate primary, only to see Lisa Murkowski go on to win the general election handily as a write-in candidate.

A crusading California activist named Carl Olson, of Woodland Hills, Calif., made it his business to claim that the islands are “100 percent American,” as the AP said in 1990.

The organization Olson founded, “State Department Watch, Ltd,” is still pressing that argument today. (The group is a nonprofit advocacy organization) that reported taking in $2.4 million in 2010 but spent most of it on fundraising, according to its most recent IRS Form 990. It paid Olson an $80,000 salary, made grants of $51,000 to the “1776 Tea Party” of Laguna Woods, Calif., and $9,500 to the “Minuteman Project, Inc.” of Aliso Viejo, Calif.

But nearly $2 million was reported going for postage and printing. The group reports that Despite Olson’s objections, the Senate ratified a treaty establishing the current maritime boundary between the U.S. and the Soviet Union (now Russia) on Sept. 16, 1991.

The vote was a lopsided 86 to 6 with
Alaska’s senators,
the late Ted Stevens and Frank Murkowski, BOTH REPUBLICANS voting IN FAVOR of ratification.

It's not explained why Miller mentions only seven islands when Olson always has insisted the U.S. has a claim to eight.

But whatever the count, it is simply FALSE to claim that Obama is “giving away” islands to which no U.S. president has asserted a claim FOR MORE THAN 85 YEARS, if ever!

You owe pmz an apology.

Hey Blowhard...I owe him nothing.

The article was written in 2008. So what?

The Treaty was signed in 1991 under bush SR's admin and then upheld/ignored by subsequent admins.

I never said Obama was involved, did I? Try sleeping at that hour instead of banging blindly at a keyboard.

As usual, Peter delibritely misrepresented the article to reinforce his ongoing propagnda blabber of the past 3 years, as he does so many other issues.

pmz writes:

in response to trader9:

Hey Blowhard...I owe him nothing.

The article was written in 2008. So what?

The Treaty was signed in 1991 under bush SR's admin and then upheld/ignored by subsequent admins.

I never said Obama was involved, did I? Try sleeping at that hour instead of banging blindly at a keyboard.

As usual, Peter delibritely misrepresented the article to reinforce his ongoing propagnda blabber of the past 3 years, as he does so many other issues.

How did I misrepresent the article? I posted a link to it.

pmz writes:

in response to tadgro:

trader9
your deceit and obsfucation fools no-one. pmz has his facts in order. You on the other hand with astonishing impunity,disorder facts to suit your own political agenda.

This is a tired old issue going back 20 odd years. World Net Daily published a July 29, 2008, article critical of the State Department for the “island giveaway.” Of course, George W. Bush — not Obama — was president at the time.

The Bush administration’s official Arctic Region Policy stated that the U.S. would abide by the 1990 maritime agreement and would continue to urge the Russian Federation to ratify it. Neither the U.S., Britain nor Canada has disputed the Soviet (and now Russian) claim to the islands. The U.S. State Department says Wrangel and the other islands WERE NOT in the U.S. purchase of Alaska from Russia in 1867, and “they have NEVER BEEN CLAIMED claimed by the United States.”

The whole business was raised anew in an other opinion piece published Feb. 16 of this year on the same conservative site World Net Daily (notable for promoting dubious claims about the president’s birthplace).

It was written by Joe Miller, the Tea Party favorite who defeated Sen. Lisa Murkowski (daughter of former Sen. Frank Murkowski) in the 2010 Republican Senate primary, only to see Lisa Murkowski go on to win the general election handily as a write-in candidate.

A crusading California activist named Carl Olson, of Woodland Hills, Calif., made it his business to claim that the islands are “100 percent American,” as the AP said in 1990.

The organization Olson founded, “State Department Watch, Ltd,” is still pressing that argument today. (The group is a nonprofit advocacy organization) that reported taking in $2.4 million in 2010 but spent most of it on fundraising, according to its most recent IRS Form 990. It paid Olson an $80,000 salary, made grants of $51,000 to the “1776 Tea Party” of Laguna Woods, Calif., and $9,500 to the “Minuteman Project, Inc.” of Aliso Viejo, Calif.

But nearly $2 million was reported going for postage and printing. The group reports that Despite Olson’s objections, the Senate ratified a treaty establishing the current maritime boundary between the U.S. and the Soviet Union (now Russia) on Sept. 16, 1991.

The vote was a lopsided 86 to 6 with
Alaska’s senators,
the late Ted Stevens and Frank Murkowski, BOTH REPUBLICANS voting IN FAVOR of ratification.

It's not explained why Miller mentions only seven islands when Olson always has insisted the U.S. has a claim to eight.

But whatever the count, it is simply FALSE to claim that Obama is “giving away” islands to which no U.S. president has asserted a claim FOR MORE THAN 85 YEARS, if ever!

You owe pmz an apology.

I'm sure that we're only a few weeks away from hearing desperate republicans blaming the Civil War on President Obama. Or maybe even evolution.

trader9 (Inactive) writes:

in response to pmz:

How did I misrepresent the article? I posted a link to it.

More schoolyard games. You're being obtuse again.

From your post - "The writer had the timing wrong. It was President Bush four years ago."

An intentional lie on your part, counting on no one actually reading the article.

Pragmatic1 writes:

Hank Bahmer

Never let facts get in the way of truth.

Wherever you get your "facts", you need a new source.

Oil production is UP.
The Obama Administration has approved over 400 new oil leases.
We are producing more oil now than ever.
We are importing less than ever.

Wake up, Hank. Just because something sounds like it meets your pre-conceived agenda does not make it true.
Try somewhere other than a right wing, biased source for your "facts"

No wonder the right hates the "mainstream" media. They deal in facts.

tadgro writes:

in response to trader9:

Hey Blowhard...I owe him nothing.

The article was written in 2008. So what?

The Treaty was signed in 1991 under bush SR's admin and then upheld/ignored by subsequent admins.

I never said Obama was involved, did I? Try sleeping at that hour instead of banging blindly at a keyboard.

As usual, Peter delibritely misrepresented the article to reinforce his ongoing propagnda blabber of the past 3 years, as he does so many other issues.

Hey Blowhard9, you haven't blown hard enough.
You owe both me and pmz one.

Hank Bahmer's letter was clearly,indubitably,unmistakably,obviously, unquestionable, beyond doubt, not refering back to 1991 when President GEORGE H BUSH signed the maritime treaty.

Bahmer's letter was a rehash and a dishonest one at that of the World Net Daily's 2008 article-

"Oil? Ah, let Russia have it
State Department gives away 125,000 square miles of Alaskan ocean floor."

The article escoriates the State Department for the 'island give-away'and by direct association, President GEORGE W BUSH who signed the Arctic Region Policy which includes a guarantee that the USA would abide by the 1990 maritime agreement.

Pmz was clearly,indubitably,unmistakably,obviously, unquestionable, beyond doubt,refering to the 2008 article and bringing up GEORGE W BUSH's name who was President at that time was not an attempt to decieve anyone.

You were doing the bush-whacking and not he.

Yes, you didn't say President Obama was involved but then again you did not challenge the falsehoods in Mr. Bahmer's letter.

It is said that sins of omission are just as evil as sins of commission. Being just a swirling mass of fermions and besoms, I really don't know.

Not having a free will is also lots of fun. How can anyone blame me for my transgressions?

Now please tell us un-imaginative liberals how to 'misrepresent' an article, direct everyone to the original and then get away with our distortion of the truth unchallenged.

If anyone knows how to do that they clearly,indubitably,unmistakably,obviously, unquestionable, beyond doubt, have got to be a Republican.

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