NAPLES — More than a week after he first pitched the idea for a new downtown park, Neville Williams said support is growing. Dozens have signed a petition at Paul Arsenault's gallery in favor of the concept, and a pro-park committee met Friday to concoct a plan going forward as developers eye the prime 19-acre parcel.
"We cannot do much until we learn who the developer is that acquires the property and what plans the new owner may have for the land," Williams wrote in an email.
But not everyone is keen on the property becoming green space.
Business leaders near the property said they'd rather have a mixed commercial and residential complex at the corner of Goodlette-Frank Road and U.S. 41 to spur sales and foot traffic for everyone in the downtown area.
Lise Sundrla, executive director of the Fifth Avenue South Business Improvement District, called the vacant lot "a missing tooth" in a row of storefronts leading into Fifth Avenue South.
"The redundancy of the buildings down a street like Fifth Avenue South is what draws the eyes," she said. "People lose interest with gaps and folks don't go further down the street."
Filling those gaps the way the new Robb & Stucky International furniture store did along U.S. 41 downtown, helps the entire area, Sundrla said.
"It's critical to think about what will create a mass of people and visual impact on a site ... Helping to fill in missing teeth along a commercial road front or street line creates a vibrant business district," she said.
Alabama-based Regions Bank bought the former Grand Central Station property at auction in November for $100, also acquiring the property's $47 million of debt.
Regions Bank spokesman Mel Campbell declined to comment on the property's price tag or an expected timeline for its sale, though Mayor John Sorey has said the bank planned to sell by March for about $20 million.
Sorey called into the Tourist Development Council's monthly meeting last week and said he couldn't be there because he'd scheduled a meeting the same day with the "prime contender" to purchase the property from the bank.
"They are going to be here this morning and hopefully we'll have an announcement on that property this week," he said eagerly at the council meeting Jan. 28. The announcement never came last week.
After hearing Sorey, a longtime member of the Tourist Development Council, say on the phone that he was meeting with a potential buyer for the prime downtown property last week, Murray Hendel, council chairman, remarked,
"It's a great spot for a convention center." Sorey chuckled, responding, "I think you will be excited about their plan" before he had to get off the phone.
A few days after the Tourist Development Council meeting, Sorey said there were still some loose ends to be tied up and that the buyers had some concerns, giving him less optimism about making an announcement about their plans last week.
"We're still working on it," he said. "We'll see what happens."
City Manager Bill Moss said Monday that no official closing had been made on the property, despite speculation.
"The bank has had several potential buyers and received offers, but in terms of closing, that has not yet happened," he said.Landscape architect Ellin Goetz, president of Goetz + Stropes, said it would likely cost more to acquire the land than it would to develop it into a park.
And whoever might buy the property couldn't expect to make a return without a commercial property, she said.
The family of Goetz' husband Michael Watkins gifted the land for Cambier and Lowdermilk parks to the city decades ago.
"That's when people were interested in giving a quality of life to the community," Goetz said.
Goetz has overseen projects at the Naples Botanical Garden where portions of the site had to be filled and a lake had to be dug.
"The cool thing about this piece of land is it's just there," she said. "It doesn't need to be filled or manipulated in that way."
Goetz said the property's location at the intersection of two busy roads is not pedestrian friendly, but that the space could be designed so that it became a magnet for visitors. Features such as a soccer field would make it an active park similar to Fleischmann Park where the community could gather for activities.
"Never say never, but I think the land cost is the real kick in the pants on this one," Goetz said.
Landscape Architect Jeffrey Curl said a park would not increase surrounding property values in Naples the same way it would in an urban environment such as New York City, as some have said. Naples is already in an "environmental context" and Central Park in New York City functions as one of the city's few green spaces.
"The benefit for city residents is better suited for a higher tax rate property," Curl said. "That's looking at the economics of it."
Bayfront Developer Kevin Stoneburner said he doesn't think a park would benefit Bayfront.
Instead, Stoneburner wants to see residential development so people living across the street can frequent his waterfront shops and restaurants.
He'd also like to see Third Avenue South continued east through the lot. The street now ends at 10th Street North.
"It would make it very pedestrian-friendly to walk downtown," he said.
Vin DePasquale, owner of Riverwalk Restaurant in Tin City, said he wants whatever is added to the vacant land to benefit all of downtown Naples.
He said a park might be nice, but paying to acquire the land would be difficult. He'd rather see commercial space that incorporated some kind of arts program.
"Whatever goes there would have to work to create a draw, not just from visitors but even people in Collier County," he said.
Despite a range of suggestion for the property, all agree the vacant shouldn't languish long.
"We need to do something with it, that's for sure," DePasquale said. "It just can't sit there like that."
Staff writer Laura Layden contributed to this story
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Comments » 31
ochopeeapeman writes:
Great place for a pig farm,Wish I had the cash
Bramble writes:
There are at least six parks already within a 5 mile circle of GCS site. We don't need another.
Lots of people use the land already for boat and car shows and overflow parking for Bayfront events.
Are we sure this is not an effort by the landowner to dump unwanted property onthe city by creating an artificial "grassroots" effort to make it a park?
itmattershere writes:
What ever they put there you can bet your buck that it won't be for the Blue Collar folks or the young crowd. MONEY TALKS on this one. Bet on it!
Exposer writes:
Don't be so "conservative" in your assessments. Express yourself without reservation. The people need to hear more of your wisdom. Do you like orange pekoe, or do you prefer the standard "green" tea?
Texas writes:
Concerning the missing teeth of business comment....the missing teeth belong to the Fleischman family along 5th Avenue. More shopping will not make things better for stores on fifth...they need parking and customers and rents that are reasonable. This town is seasonal in case no one has ever noticed. We have more shopping than we need.
light writes:
There was the time when your parents had the best interests of this community in their statements and actions. Unlike them, you spoiled people think only of yourselves, competing for a park or commercial development.
The highest and best use of this land is to create an estuary to clean upper Naples Bay.
SeaJD writes:
So many cities have been sucked in to the convention center vortex only to find they are losing propositions. As for all the shops on Goodlette-Frank and 41, why do they change hands and fail so frequently. There are too many already, and we don't need more. What we need is to add to the soul of the city. New York and major cities all have huge parks. Cambier Park is nice but too small. All the other parks are little more than pocket parks. Why not make this a beautiful flower and sculpture park with local and international artists entering a contest to provide
sculptured and water features celebrating Naples and the Gulf flora and fauna ? Why can't the bank give back to Naples and donate the land for that purpose and even oversee that development into a park? It has always been thinkers of legacy who outlast thinkers of limited immediacy. And the bank would greatly enhance its reputation as a benefactor.
jim.murdog#255679 writes:
The reason that I, along with many others, chose to live in Naples is because Naples is different from much of the rest of Florida. Why? Because Naples has a distinct community character that does not consist of one endless strip of shopping malls running on for miles making it impossible to distinguish which community you are in. Can we not have the foresight to prevent Naples from coming just another Florida development posing as a community? A downtown park would emphasize Naples character and charm (consider the marketing opportunities) and one day our children and grandchildren will be grateful to us for having the wisdom to have saved Naples from ourselves.
freedomsailor writes:
Let's just turn it into a trash dump. Then the garbage trucks won't have so far to drive to dump their loads.
PeopleSpeak writes:
We need more density and mixed use (residential, retail, and office) to make Downtown more of a 24-7 destination. We have plenty of green space in all directions.
The old farts that live in exurban sprawl adjacent to former farm towns radiating out from rust belt cities should know that it has been more investment in residences and enticing major employers that has made their urban core areas revive. Dense mixed use development will achieve this. Recruiting employers DOWNTOWN (not to tomato fields in Jonestown or stripmalls in the sprawl), bringing major retailers (like the Taiwanese R&S), and more residential units will help.
We also need to get out of the parochial garbage like focusing on small pockets. There is more to Downtown than the 300-800 blocks of 5th Ave S. Each little area like 3rd St S, 5th Ave S, Design District, up to Coastland, etc needs to think and work together as a unit and realize that more density and cross promotion helps everyone.
Downtown needs more density to remain relevant as anyone that's traveled has seen. Small towns with sprawl die. Those that focus on developing their core and sense of identity thrive.
mama0605 writes:
I like the idea of a pedestrian friendly park very much with a connection through the park to connect Goodlette to 10th - I just dont see how it can be done - banks are in business to make money. There is no way they are going to "donate" their 20 million piece of land to anyone. They want cash -
We would have to access funds through a special referendum, or grants like they did when they purchased the zoo -
Bottom line? Where is the money for purchasing going to come from?
And lets not forget even after the land is acquired do not give it to the City to proceed with building the park - look at the land that was donated to the City to build docking facilities for the residents and nothing happend? Right across from this site - eventually, the owner took it back because of the Cities total unresponsiveness -
MisterK writes:
Patience. For the love of all things holy, please do not build a convention center there. My vision has evolved into a modern theme: Dubai, Naples. But, without super tall buildings.
NaplesNative7 writes:
How could we even consider putting a mixed use project there? How can we dump that much more traffic and congestion onto that part of town that is always backed up for blocks. Not to mention the new Robb & Stucky building that is so massive and overbuilt that it blocks out the sun. A park combined with a cultural center or museum would be perfect. Let's keep Naples tasteful and beautiful........
firejoke writes:
When can we expect you to write the check to buy the land and then either donate it or turn it into a park?
firejoke writes:
Since you are so willing to spend other peoples money let's see just how eager you are to spend your own. Get out the check book and buy the land and donate it to the city. You willing to spend your own?
DinNaples writes:
"Blocks out the sun."
Are you kidding me?
DinNaples writes:
We shall have a park, and we shall name it "Paragon Park". We shall recreate a majestic park here in Naples.
ambulancia writes:
Park is a good idea. Trade the Cambier Park property, or sell it to pay for the Grand Central location. The potential for Commercial on the Cambier property is better.
DinNaples writes:
One of the best ideas I've heard so far, except for mine of course.
Actually I like yours much better.
flvsmom writes:
If I win the lottery I'll turn it into an artists village complete with mixed use commericial and residential as well as green space...a complete eco friendly village with a community garden where tourist can wander through and visit with the amazing and talented artists that live and visit Naples. On the weekends there would be a farmers market as well as various festivals and art walks to 5th and 3rd. Wish me luck!
swfl_ff writes:
Very well said! We need to encourage re-development of our central cities including our own. This property has unlimited potential if developed correctly. I also agree with your statement that the entire "downtown" area needs to work together to promote that entire area.
There was a time that area was the center of business and commerce for the entire county. More and more the businesses have moved primarily to the northern parts of the county. This should have never been encouraged in the first place. More could have been done to encourage businesses to remain downtown. Unfortunately the city it self helped create this problem with their strict building height limits and zoning.
Sprawl is never good. While some will always happen it should not be allowed to take over as it has done here in Collier County. Now the powers to be are trying to create even more sprawl by encouraging developments like Ave Maria and the proposed Big Cypress Community.
We truly need to rethink how we want our community to develop.
skipperdz writes:
"The redundancy of the buildings down a street like Fifth Avenue South is what draws the eyes," she said. "People lose interest with gaps and folks don't go further down the street."
Filling those gaps the way the new Robb & Stucky International furniture store did along U.S. 41 downtown, helps the entire area, Sundrla said
YES I want redundancy! Jesus. Are you saying no one goes to 5th because of the empty spot? Shut up everyone knows where downtown is.
Didn't Robb & Stucky already go out of buisness or file bankrupcy? We have PLENTY of empty condos, don't need anymore. We have PLENTY of empty stores, don't need anymore.
Does it need to be a park? Maybe not, but it shouldn't be some big empty building. THATS WHAT IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS TORN DOWN! Forget about the Grouper house and everything else there? Every business there is gone! Thats why there is no longer a building there.
Make it an ampitheater (sp?), put on concerts or rent it out to have concerts or boat shows etc.
deadbeatles writes:
Park.
SeaJD writes:
Banks make plenty of money off of me and everyone else. Pay lousy interest on accounts while they charge much greater amounts for borrowers. Their entire business is using some people's money to lend to others. I will gladly donate to the cause of a park if the bank donates the land, and oversees the park funding and development. The City of Naples, I agree, would never do anything good with it. They lack the vision as do several of the posters above that want more businesses and tiny condos.
firejoke writes:
Well there you go. You get enough people together and come up with $20 million and it's yours.
Kahunna writes:
Let's see now, 20 million to buy the land and 10 - 15 million to develope it into a park.
Then the city and schools lose millions a year in lost tax revenue because the land was never developed and as a park the property is off the tax rolls.
And don't forget to account for the annual operating costs for this park.
We could call it Money Pit Park.
QueBonita writes:
This is the perfect location for a red-light district. The winners at the new Bonita casino would celebrate and spend their winnings there while the losers would come to lick their wounds and build their spirit back up on credit.
As Churchill so wisely stated: "Champagne! in victory I deserve it, and in defeat I need it"
kakman writes:
I agree. Great idea.
Build an amphitheater with a band shell and create a great park with amenities and let Cambier be re-developed commercially. This could be the focal point of downtown Naples with much better visibility than Cambier.
BillBrasky writes:
None of those parks are in a location where hundreds of thousands of cars would drive by each day. Creating ambiance and esthetics is good for a city. Rather than just solid strip malls, banks and dry cleaners Naples can have some curbside appeal. Think of the value that is added to Manhattan with central park. Think about Naples in 30 years.
Worst case scenario sell one or two of the other parks and use this better location instead.
martinm_1 writes:
NO MORE PARKS WE HAVE ENOUGH,WE NEED MORE RATABLES.
AVERAGEBEAR writes:
About 60 years ago it was an industrial site with a rail yard and cement plant. How would that be? Jobs, jobs, jobs, drill baby drill and all that stuff.
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